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"Alviegal"

I was trying to think about John Dalston from my head and found only yesterday the 1881 census. Its sitting on my desk, but my head has been brainwashed with all the US info sent to me from you!!
Sorry about that. I just knew when I was told that he might have followed his brother over to US, that I did not know about that, and I never checked the info I have on John.

I turn my computer off its after 10.00 pm and will be back again tomorrow night hopefully!!

Many thanks for your help

Jo

Sorry Jo, I thought you said you had no census records for John. He didn't stay long in the States anyway.

Liz

"Alviegal"

I have all the UK census info, but realise it is always helpful to put on the board. I have a sub to Ancestry UK, but not Worldwide, and only find 3/4 rellies who go to US or elsewhere, so never find it worth paying the extra.
You are doing a fantastic job - I cannot keep up with you!!
Thank you very much indeed for all your help

Regards
Jo

1851 census transcription details for: Church Lane
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2431 Folio: 26 Page: 44

Reg. District: Carlisle Sub District: Stanwix
Parish: Enum. District: 1 & 2
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Church Lane
County: Cumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
DALSTON, Mary M Head Widow F 46 1805 Annuitant
Scotland
DALSTON, James Son Married M 24 1827 Traveller For Book Seller
Carlisle
Cumberland
DALSTON, Elizabeth M Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 Ap Berlin Wool Repository
Carlisle
Cumberland
DALSTON, William B Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Assistant Sch Teacher
Stanwix
Cumberland
DALSTON, John Son M 14 1837 Scholar
Stanwix
Cumberland
DALSTON, George H Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Stanwix
Cumberland


Returned from US.


1861 census transcription details for: Mulcaster Place, Stanwix
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 3922 Folio: 15 Page: 23

Reg. District: Carlisle Sub District: 4 Stanwix
Parish: Stanwix Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Stanwix City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Mulcaster Place, Stanwix
County: Cumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
DALSTON, Mary M Head Widow F 55 1806 Landed Proprietor
Scotland
WILSON, Elizabeth M Daughter Married F 25 1836 Surveyor Of Lands Wife
St Cuthbert
Cumberland
DALSTON, John Son Unmarried M 24 1837 ... Grapher & Cotton Plate Printer
Stanwix
Cumberland
DALSTON, Mary E Granddaughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar
Scotland
WILSON, Mary S Granddaughter Unmarried F 7 1854 Scholar
Stanwix
Cumberland
WILSON, Annie S Granddaughter Unmarried F 0 (7M) 1861
Stanwix
Cumberland
GRAHAM, Ann Servant Unmarried F 63 1798 House Servant
St Cuthbert
Cumberland




1871 census transcription details for: New Square, St Andrew The Great, Cambridge
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 1589 Folio: 54 Page: 37

Reg. District: Cambridge Sub District: St Andrew the Great
Parish: St Andrew the Great Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Cambridge
Address: New Square, St Andrew The Great, Cambridge
County: Cambridgeshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
WILSON, Elizabeth R Head F 39 1832 wife of surveyor of lands, Cambridgeshire (reads Cumberland Carlisle)
WILSON, Mary J Daughter F 17 1854 Cambridgeshire (reads Cumberland, Carlisle)
WILSON, Margaret W Daughter F 7 1864 Breconshire
WILSON, Frederick W Son M 4 1867 Breconshire
DALSTON, John Brother-In-Law M 34 1837 Cambridgeshire (reads Cumberland, Carlisle)



1881 census transcription details for: 5, Crosby St, Carlisle St Cuthbert Within
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 5154 Folio: 25 Page: 4

Reg. District: Carlisle Sub District: St Cuthbert
Parish: Carlisle St Cuthbert Within Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Crosby St, Carlisle St Cuthbert Within
County: Cumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
DALSTON, John Head Married M 44 1837 Lithograph Printer
Carlisle
Cumberland
DALSTON, Margaret Wife Married F 32 1849
Scotland



Name: John Dalston
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Carlisle
County: Cumbria, Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 596

Marriage
>>John Dalston 1880 Carlisle Cumbria, Cumberland
View Record
Mary Ann Fleming 1880 Carlisle Cumbria, Cumberland
View Record
>>Margaret Graham 1880 Carlisle Cumbria, Cumberland
View Record
Thomas Relph 1880 Carlisle Cumbria, Cumberland



Name: John Dalston
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 46
District: Carlisle
County: Cumbria, Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 301

John's name right below William's! He was also a lithographer.
I'll see what I can find for him.



New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about John Dalston
Name: John Dalston
Arrival Date: 3 Dec 1855
Birth Year: abt 1837
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Robert Kelly

"Alviegal"

Now I thought her name at marriage was Moalkinger, but can quite understand how they can transcribe names wrong.
I cannot believe there would be many Frederika's - its an unusual Christian name, so it looks as though you have found her on the 1880 census before her marriage in 1881.

Funnily enough, I have just been looking at the Fulton site, but I don't know my way around New York very well!!
I have put it in my favourites

Thank you very much indeed for that info


I don't suppose John Dalston who also came over on the boat with William Dalston was in the U.S. Civil War Soldiers 1861-1865?
He is William's brother and I have no census for him either!! He was born in 1836 in Carlisle.

Many thanks for your help

Regards
Jo

Now I've looked at the Old Fulton website (had forgotten about that one), I think this is Fredericka and her family.


1880 United States Federal Census
about Frederica Modinger
Name: Frederica Modinger
Home in 1880: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of Household: Dau (Daughter)
Father's Name: John
Father's birthplace: New York
Mother's Name: Lucinda
Mother's birthplace: New York
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: At Home
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
John Modinger 51 Birthplace: New York, Father's birthplace: Witenburg, Mother's birthplace: Witenburg, Occupation: Real Estate Broker
Lucinda Modinger 50 Birthplace: New York, Father's birthplace: New York, Mother's birthplace: New York
Frederica Modinger 26
Chas. O. Modinger 23 Birthplace: New York, baker
Gertrude Modinger 14 Birthplace: New York




1870 United States Federal Census
about Lucinda Modinger
Name: Lucinda Modinger
Birth Year: abt 1830
Age in 1870: 40
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1870: Hackensack, Bergen, New Jersey
Race: White
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View image
Post Office: New Bridge
Household Members:
Name Age
John Modinger 42
Lucinda Modinger 40
Kate L Modinger 20
Frederick Modinger 17
Charles Modinger 13
John Modinger 13
Gertrude Modinger 4
Frederick Leryer 37 Birthplace: Württemberg / Wurttemberg



1850 United States Federal Census
about Lucinda Moadinger
Name: Lucinda Moadinger
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Birth Place: New York
Gender: Female
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): New York Ward 13, New York, New York
Family Number: 282
Household Members:
Name Age
John Moadinger 22
Lucinda Moadinger 20
Thomas Hammel 22
Sarah Smith 18




1900 United States Federal Census
about Lucinda Moadinger
Name: Lucinda Moadinger
Home in 1900: Brooklyn Ward 28, Kings, New York
Age: 70
Birth Date: Apr 1830
Birthplace: New York
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to Head of House: Mother-in-law
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Birthplace: England
Mother: number of living children: 4
Mother: How many children: 5
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Brown 38
Gurtrude L Brown 34
Frank H Brown 12
Ruth G Brown 7
James N Brown 10/12
Lucinda Moadinger 70
Cecelia Anderson 41

MaureeninNY

Many thanks indeed for replying to my William Bell Dalston. Yes, he did have a brother John Dalston b 1836, Carlisle, who I know very little about.

If he was born in 1836, its possible he could have come over to US with his brother. Will check it out later.

Thank you also for the 2 websites you have given me, will also check them out. Margaret Manson is always full of info.

Thank you for your help

Regards
Jo

"Alviegal"

Gosh you have been busy while I had a night's kip and been to work.
Thank you very much indeed for all the info you have sent.
I shall be busy later putting it all in my family tree.
Also the ship he went to US on - thank you very much.
William B. Dalston did have a brother, which Maureen mentioned
He was born in 1836 - John Dalston.
Thank you very much indeed for ALL your help

Regards
Jo

Hi Jo,
Did you know about this site as well:
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

I have to thank our Margaret Manson for reminding me of that one.

Maureen

At the Castle Garden site:
http://www.castlegarden.org/searcher.php

Is that his brother John coming over at the same time??

Maureen

He's still here in 1851 so the 1848 date of emigration must be mistake.


1851 census transcription details for: Church Lane
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2431 Folio: 26 Page: 44

Reg. District: Carlisle Sub District: Stanwix
Parish: Enum. District: 1 & 2
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Church Lane
County: Cumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
DALSTON, Mary M Head Widow F 46 1805 Annuitant
Scotland
DALSTON, James Son Married M 24 1827 Traveller For Book Seller
Carlisle
Cumberland
DALSTON, Elizabeth M Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 Ap Berlin Wool Repository
Carlisle
Cumberland
DALSTON, William B Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Assistant Sch Teacher
Stanwix
Cumberland
DALSTON, John Son M 14 1837 Scholar
Stanwix
Cumberland
DALSTON, George H Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Stanwix
Cumberland


1841


National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 170 Book/Folio: 7/17 Page: 29

Reg. District: Carlisle Sub District: Stanwix
Parish: Stanwix Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Stanwix, Stanwix
County: Cumberland
Name Relation Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
DALSTON, William M 45 1796 Cumberland, broker's clerk
DALSTON, Mary F 35 1806 Scotland
DALSTON, James M 14 1827 Cumberland
DALSTON, Mary F 11 1830 Cumberland
DALSTON, Elizabeth F 9 1832 Cumberland
DALSTON, William M 7 1834 Cumberland
DALSTON, John M 5 1836 Cumberland
BELL, Mary F 25 1816 Cumberland



His parents marriage perhaps. Obviously where he got his middle name from.


Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
about William Dalston
Name: William Dalston
Comment: p. St. Cuthbert
Spouse: Mary Bell reads Mary Mulcaster Bell
Marriage Date: 6 Nov 1826
Parish: Stanwix

This matches quite nicely. He was a lithographer.

Name: Wm Dalston
Arrival Date: 3 Dec 1855
Birth Year: abt 1831
Age: 24
Gender: Female should read male
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Robert Kelly




U.S. Civil War Soldiers, 1861-1865
about Wm. B. Dalston
Name: Wm. B. Dalston
Side: Union
Regiment State/Origin: New York
Regiment Name: 12 N.Y. State Militia (3 Months 1861)
Regiment Name Expanded: 12th Regiment, New York State Militia (3 months, 1861)
Company: E
Rank In: Private
Rank In Expanded: Private
Rank Out: Private
Rank Out Expanded: Private
Film Number: M551 roll 33



Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934
about William B. Dalston
Name: William B. Dalston
State Filed: New York
Widow: Frederica Dalston

E 12 NY Military Inf

Can't find the 1860 for William, I'm afraid.

His daughter, Gertrude's marriage.

Dalston Gertrude Lillian Jun 6 1917 7538 Kings D423
Colsten Willis S Jun 6 1917 Kings 7538 C423

"Alviegal"

Thank you again for the marriage. I will check out your wonderful site.
It looks as though he had a first marriage from the 1870 census to a Maggie R ? age 31. Does your wonderful site find this marriage?

What info does the 1860 census give? He could be in Philadelphia.
Not sure whether he came over to US in 1855 or 1848.
Different census give different info.

Thank you very much for your help

Regards
Jo

Here's his marriage to Fredericka.

Dalsten William B Feb 9 1881 Kings 393 D423
Moalkinger Frederika Feb 09 1881 Kings 393 M425

From a wonderful site http://www.italiangen.org/Default.htm

Click on Database Vital Records on the left. This does not mean they had anything to do with Italy!!


Fredericka's death?

Dalston Frederica M 72 y Oct 17 1925 19183 Kings D423

Liz

"Alviegal"

Thank you very much for the info from the US Federal Census Non Population Schedules 1850-1880
I did know nothing about William Bell Dalston and suddenly I have him, his wife and children and date he came over to US

Thank you very much
Regards
Jo

Selected U.S. Federal Census Non-Population Schedules, 1850-1880
about William B Dalston
Name: William B Dalston lithographer
Locality: New York Ward 8 District 2
County: New York
State: New York
Enumeration Date: 1 Jun 1860
Schedule Type: Industry

Rose

Thank you also very much for the 1900 census, and also the added info that he came over to USA in 1848. Very much appreciated.
Thank you
Regards
Jo

"Alviegal"

Thank you very much for the 1910, 1900, 1880 and 1870 US Census
That is brilliant, some children also.

Many thanks

Jo