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James Jervis (c1801) and Mary Martin (c1812)

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WoodfortheTrees

WoodfortheTrees Report 12 Jun 2010 11:50

I am trying to trace these two ancestors of mine but I am not having much luck. According to someone else on Genes Reunited they married on the 24/11/1833 in Mucclestone, Staffordshire, but the problem is I have not been able to find thier marriage myself. I have found them on the 1841, 51, 61 and 71 census so have all of their children but I can't seem to find their parents. This is what I have so far

Father: James , Mother: Mary
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C010262

1. ALICE JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 NOV 1854 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

2. MARY JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JAN 1848 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

3. ANN JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 NOV 1834 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

4. KATE JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 JUL 1850 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

5. ELLEN JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 JUL 1837 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

6. WILLIAM MARTIN JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 DEC 1842 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

7. PETER JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 APR 1855 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

8. BETSEY JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 FEB 1840 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

9. FANNY JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 JUL 1857 Mucklestone, Stafford, England
Note: from a census there is a Fanny born in 1846 so either the parents took 10yrs to baptise her or the first Fanny died

On the 1851 census there is a William Jervis or Martin (it's unclear), aged 78, widower, living with James and Mary so he could either of their fathers.

Also on the 1851 census a John Matin, aged 11, born Maer, apprentice, is living with James and Mary Jervis. I am assuming he is a relation of Mary but I haven't yet been able to discover their exact relationship. In 1861 census he is living with a Joseph Bunn (46, agricultural labourer) and a Jane Bunn (45). I am assuming Jane is some relation to James or Mary, although again I have not been able to trace exactly what relation yet.

Also on the 1861 census, living 3 doors down from James and Mary Jervis, is a William Jervis (aged 66, Shoemaker), his wife Hannah (aged 64) and their children William (aged 28, bootmaker) and Ellen (aged 22, bootbinder) all born in staffordshire. I am assuming William is some relation to James Jervis but as I haven't yet traced Jame's parents I don't yet know what the exact relationship is.

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 11:57

From the IGI on Family Search

JAMES JERVIS Pedigree
Male Family
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY MARTIN Family
Marriage:
24 NOV 1833 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 12:05

The census lists Mary as born in Maer so this could be her birth with father William re the 1851 census. The surname in 1851 does look like Martin

MARY MARTIN Pedigree

Event(s):
Birth:
27 SEP 1811
Christening:
20 OCT 1811 Maer, Stafford, Englan

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM MARTIN Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

WoodfortheTrees

WoodfortheTrees Report 12 Jun 2010 12:06

Does it give either of their father's on that?

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 12:09

The record of the marriage on the IGI does not list parents names but it is possible that they could be on the original parish record

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 12:11

The 1851 census lists William Martin as born in Sheepy Leics so I wonder if this could be him on the IGI


WILLIAM MARTIN Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
04 APR 1774 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM MARTIN Family
Mother: MARY

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 12:15

The John Martin from 1851 in 1841?

ame: John Martin
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Maer
Hundred: North Pirehill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Newcastle under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Whitmore
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Martin 35 grocer
Magdalin Martin 40
William Martin 14
Joseph Martin 12
Stephen Martin 10
Samuel Martin 8
Magdalen Martin 6
Josua Martin 4
John Martin 2
Esther Withenshaw 90 listed as of independant means and not born in the county

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

WoodfortheTrees

WoodfortheTrees Report 12 Jun 2010 12:18

I've just checked the census again and it does look more like Martin than Jervis so thanks for that. At least I have Mary's parents now.

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 12:22

James lists his birth as Mucklestone in the census. The IGI gives this children as possible siblings with parents James and Ellen Jervis so it looks like the William Jerivs you found in 1861 was James's brother

1. JAS. JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 DEC 1799 Mucklestone, Stafford, England
2. WM. JERVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 JAN 1797 Mucklestone, Stafford, England
3. JANE JARVIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 JUN 1789 Mucklestone, Stafford, England

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

WoodfortheTrees

WoodfortheTrees Report 12 Jun 2010 12:22

Mary Jervis nee Martin would have been around 29 in 1841 so Joseph could be her older brother, which would make John her nephew and would explain why John is living with Mary in the 1851 census and is apprenticed to her husband. I will look into this possibility, see if I can't find a baptism for a Jpseph Martin with parents William Martin and Elizabeth. Thanks for all the help so far.

WoodfortheTrees

WoodfortheTrees Report 12 Jun 2010 12:23

I was wondering if William and James Jervis were brothers so thanks for that.

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 12:35

The IGI gives these possible siblings for Mary, but no Joseph

1. SAMUEL MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 JUL 1808 Maer, Stafford, England
2. MARY MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 OCT 1811 Maer, Stafford, England
3. SARAH MARTEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 OCT 1801 Maer, Stafford, England

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

WoodfortheTrees

WoodfortheTrees Report 12 Jun 2010 12:38

Perhaps it is just a concidence then that John Martin is born in Maer like Mary and they're no relation at all, although that does seem odd.

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 12:47

The christening of Joseph may just not be on the IGI. I couldn't see Joseph and family post 1841 to see where he was born, but will relook

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

WoodfortheTrees

WoodfortheTrees Report 12 Jun 2010 12:49

Thank you for your help

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 13:03

Sorry the children seem to have dispersed by 1851, presumably why John was living away from his family

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

WoodfortheTrees

WoodfortheTrees Report 12 Jun 2010 13:08

That's ok, thanks for looking; it seems as though John and Mary aren't relations although it does seem an odd coincidence

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 13:21

Without a birthplace for Joseph it is difficult to tell but there is this possible birth in Mucklestone with father William

JOS. MARTIN Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
19 JAN 1806 Mucklestone, Stafford, Englan

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM MARTIN

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

K

K Report 12 Jun 2010 13:27

I must be getting old - I couldn't see this marriage at all a few minutes ago!!!

JOSEPH MARTIN Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: MAGDALENE HERVEY Family
Marriage:
01 AUG 1826 Mucklestone, Stafford, England


and looks like she came from Nottingham - in 1841 she is listed as born out of county

MAGDALEN HERVEY Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
22 APR 1798 Saint Mary, Nottingham, Nottingham, England
Parents:
Father: ANTHONY HERVEY Family
Mother: MARY

Researching:
Anstee/Bucks; Russell/London; Durose; Pease/North Yorks; Kelly/IoM

WoodfortheTrees

WoodfortheTrees Report 12 Jun 2010 13:27

That would make sense as that would make him Mary's older brother

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