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Thanks Flick.

You have been very kind giving up all this time to help me. I think the only thing left to do is to try and find some deaths For Jonathan and Joseph and see if that turns up anything. I have a possible death for JOnathan as 1895 so perhaps I will start by sending for that one. Then I will try and find one for Joseph.


Thanks again for all your help.

Jane

The 1841 doesn't record relationships - or birthplaces. And ages of over-15's are almost always rounded down to the nearest 5 - so the IGI entry could well be the Martha living in the household with Joseph and Jonatan. Sounds promising!

HI Flick.

On the marriage cert it sates that his fathers name was Joseph. But you are right as I believe he had a brother called Joseph then it could well be his brother witnessing teh marriage.

AS for the 1841 census. I have not seen it myself so I don not know exactly what it says. I am only guessing that they are brother and sisters because of their ages. Joseph 20, Martha 25 and Jonathan 15yrs.

I have since found a Martha born to Joseph and Ann Rushworth on the IGI in 1813. which leads me to think that the parents were Joseph and Ann.

All the best

Jane

Sorry, Jane, you won't like this, but there's no way of knowing that the witness was the father - relationships of witnesses are not recorded.

It would be more likely to have been his brother - if that was the relationship of the person with whom he was residing in 1841.

With ref to Martha in 1841 - my suggestion was just that - a speculative suggestion. If you have Joseph married to someone else - fair enough. What was his birthplace said to have been?

Flick

I dont have Joseph and Martha in the 1851 census living together.
.
All I have is a Joseph born about 1819 32yrs Head and his
wife Elizabeth aged 33.
Martha aged 9 daughter
Elizabeth 10 months.

This is why I think Joseph his brother married Elizabeth.

Thanks

Jane

HI Flick

Thank you so much for your help.

Let me try and answer some of your questions.

Jonathan Rushworth and Elizabeth Faubert married 1850. Jonathans father Joseph witnessed the marriage. Aslo Sarahs mother. Jonathan was 24 at time of marriage. I have the cert. It also says Joseph was a Cloth dresser.

The 1851 census you found is my family. I'm not sure that Jonathan was born in Gildersome. These are the only things I have actual proof of.

Sorry I cant be of any more help than this.

In 1841, it's possible that Martha was Joseph's wife..........have you found them in 1851?

Is THIS Jonathan?

1851

Name: Jonathan Rushworth
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Gildersome, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 2hh
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Fawbert 51
Jonathan Rushworth 24
Elizabeth Rushworth 21
William A Thornhill 1

Sorry Vera I missed this one.

Yea I think Joseph and Ann are Jonathans parents.

Because of him being born in 1826 I cant prove it.

All the best

Jane

Can I just 'think this through'...................

You have firm info about Jonathan Rushworth born c1826 - and his father's name was supposedly Joseph - is this correct?

Who witnessed Jonathan's marriage? Who was his wife?

Where was Jonathan born?

What makes you say the age in 1841 of Joseph (with Elizabeth) is wrong?

Joseph is c60 years of age.........................

Thats great Vera.

If Ann died in 1839 then that would account for Jonathan being alone with his son George on the 1851 census that Flick kindly found for me. Its all beginning to fall into place.

Thank you both very much for your help

Jane

Jane,
I am just thinking this could be a second marriage....as the Joseph on the 1841 that Flick found a cloth dresser there was no wife.

Regards Vera

Thanks Vera.

I Dont think that is my Joseph as Leah would have been about 53 when she had Jonathan. (b c1826).

Thanks again

Jane

Jane

Possible..

Deaths Jun 1839 (>99%)
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Rushworth Ann Leeds 23 303

Regards Vera

Jane,
So Jonathan is Jospehs and Anns son???

Regards Vera

1851

occupation Cloth dresser

Joseph Rushworth
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1787
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Leah
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Woodhouse St Mark
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 15o
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Rushworth 64
Leah Rushworth 72


Regards Vera

Jane,
The Joseph Rushworth I found is the one married to Ann Holmes 1813 Haworth Yorkshire.

Regards Vera

Flick

That could be my Joseph as he was in the cloth trade. I just need a way of confirming it.

Thanks again

Jane

Thanks Vera and Flick for your help.

Vera as far as I know the joseph you have found is Joseph's and Anns son.

I have Jonathan Rushworths marriage cert and it says that his father was Joseph Rushworth. I have a Joseph and Elizabeth on the 1851 census but the ages are wrong to be jonathans dad. So he must be his brother. I also haave a Joseph aged 20 , Martha aged 25 and Jonathan aged 15.on the 1841 Because of their ages they must be brothers and sister. So I still have to find Joseph. The igi has Joseph and Ann marrying in Haworth Yorkshire in 1813. So I guess that these could be his (Jonathans) parents.

I am trying to confirm these details

Thanks for your help

Jane

There is also this one in 1841

Name: Joseph Rushworth
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds Town
Hundred: Leeds Borough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Leeds West
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Rushworth 50 Occ: Cloth Dresser
Geos Rushworth 30