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Marriages - Details of record ID 323451:
Parish or Registration District: FEOCK
Date: 13-May 1820
GROOM: Henry TREMAYNE
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Groom's residence: SOJ
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BRIDE: Philippa STEPHENS
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Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: M Topham

Thankyou Michael. I found the same names on Family Search :) Must be on the right track now I hope :)

That certainly looks promising, given the unusual name that looks to have been passed down.

Census ages are not reliable, and people tended to get younger as they got older. ;)

You may never be positive you have the right person -- sometimes the best you can do is rule out other possibiities. That one looks like a pretty sure bet, though.

See whether you can find other children -- just search for

father William Tremayne
mother Keturah
and no other details

and see what comes up, for example. See what might have become of them in the censuses, just for interest; maybe they followed the same geographic path. And search for the births of William and Keturah, etc. etc.

Hi Jany,

On family search I just found a record of birth for a Henry Tremayne born 1797 in Budock Cornwall. It says his parents were William Tremayne and Keturah Trevening. This could be the ones I'm looking for? Only in the 1851 census it says that Henry is 51 which would make him born in 1800. I'm not sure if I have the right parents for Henry.

The Cornwall OPC databases are completely free.

All the info in this thread comes from FreeBMD, plus Ancestry (or FMP) for the censuses, or the IGI, which is also free -- in case I or someone didn't give the url:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_igi.asp

If you browse around the Cornwall OPC site, you can identify the online parish clerks for parishes of interest, and find how to contact them. In my experience and others who have asked for their help, they are very helpful and generous with their time. For records that aren't transcribed, many of the OPCs have copies and are very willing to do lookups.

Eventually, though, we all have to get some certificates where they are available (post 1837), to confirm things.

Thank you so much Janey.
Unfortunately I am limited in my searches as I don't have money online to pay for the results (views of records). I search the free ones online and go as far as I can with genesreunited, FreeBMD and ancestry.com.
I am so thankful for the help you all have given me and I appreciate it immensely.
Thankyou once again.

The parents' marriage is in the Cornwall OPC database:

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/searchdb.php?dbname=marriages

Search for the marriage of Henry Tremayne and Philippa (I just asked for given name Phil, because of spelling variations -- the search engine finds all names starting with that).

Unfortunately, when you click on "more info" there are no parents' names in the record. However, that does give you Philippa's surname. You can go on to search there in the baptisms database for their baptisms/parents.

It will be infinitely more fun to do those searches yourself, of course!

You do have the record of the Bailey marriage. The info from the GRO index as found at FreeBMD is posted in this thread. You need the marriage certificate to confirm the identity of that K Tremayne -- age, father's name. You also need the certificate for the K Tremayne marriage to Martin for the same reason.

Well, the census records show where Henry and Phillipa Tremayne lived ... and who all their other children were ... The 1851 census says he was a ropemaker born in "Beaudork", Cornwall, which would be Budock, I imagine, and she was born in Feock, Cornwall.

What have you done to try to find out more about them?

The 41 and 51 censuses show a son Richard born about 1839. Have you looked at FreeBMD for his birth? If it was registered, the birth certificate would give his mother's birth surname.

So I looked, and the birth is right there, 1838 in Stoke Damerel. Once you do that search and get the registration details, you can order the certificate here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Yes I see that her parents were Henry and Phillippa Tremayne but I need to find out more about them. Like where they lived, who Henrys parents were etc.
I just can't seem to find out anything about them. It's weird.

Hi Janey,
As far as I know so far, Kitorah married John Martin in 1843 and had a son William Martin in 1844. John died in 1845 and Kitorah then partnered up with John Bailey. I have no record of a marriage. They did have children though. Kitorah b. 1852, John b. 1856, Henry b. 1859 and Emily b. 1861.
Hope this helps.

Lydia ... have you read the thread at all?

Hi Maddie,
Yes I think that could be her.
Does it give any info about her parents?
Thank you

Looks like!

Son William matches William Mart(a)in in 1851.

Sure would have been nice if Lydia had come back to visit her thread and elucidate ...

1861 possibly

BAILEY, John Head Married M 39 1822 Cooper
Liverpool VIEW
BAILEY, Ketisoh Wife Married F 37 1824
St Agnes... VIEW
BAILEY, William H Son M 17 1844 Workers Apprentice
Devonport
Devon VIEW
BAILEY, Ketisoh J Daughter F 7 1854
Devonport
Devon VIEW
BAILEY, John C Son M 5 1856
Southampton
Hampshire VIEW
BAILEY, Nottering Son M 2 1859
Stepney VIEW
BAILEY, Emily A Daughter F 0 (2M) 1861
St Johns... VIEW

Well in aid of full disclosure for starting off ;) --

Marriages Jun 1848
Bailey John Plymouth 9 480
Chorley Mary Ann Phoebe Plymouth 9 480
Dyer Henry Stephens Plymouth 9 480
EMMETT William Gedley Plymouth 9 480
FRICKER Henry Plymouth 9 480
Tremayne Kitorah Plymouth 9 480
TWITCHELL Margaret Plymouth 9 480
Westaway Sarah Plymouth 9 480


Can we find that one in 1851?

Oh, hold on, the OP says she married Martin and later Bailey.

Strikes me as one of those non-fact facts. If she married Bailey in 1848,

(a) it would have been as Martin, not Tremayne
(b) she would have been Bailey in 1851, not Mart(a)in.

Facts that are not established to be actual facts should not be stated as facts!

This one could be established maybe -- if the info on both marriage certificates matched up as to father's name, e.g. It's possible a widow would have remarried under her birth surname, given that people were generally illiterate and may have just answered as asked. Certificates needed!


Unfortunately, I don't see her in 1861 under either surname.


Is this them in 1871?

Civil parish: Roche
County/Island: Cornwall
John Martyn 40
Kitty Martyn 41 - born St Austell
Harriett Ann Martyn 18
Emily Martyn 13
John Henry Martyn 9
Mark Martyn 8
Luke Martyn 6


1861 in St Austell:

John Martin 32
Ketty Martin 38
Hariet Ann Martin 8
Emily Martin 3
Eden Ann Martin 10 Mo

>> no >> leaving them here to rule them out:

Marriages Sep 1852
Martin John St Austell 5c 214
Retallack Kitty St Austell 5c 214

Looks like there is only one - so what do people make of the second marriage on Freebmd? (See my post further up).
Jan

The baptism record Christina posted with parents Henry and Phillipa matches the census records.

batch: C053061


The other birth in the IGI with those parents also matches the census Mary:

MARY JANE TREMAYNE
Christening: 25 DEC 1836 Kea, Cornwall, England
Father: HENRY TREMAYNE
Mother: PHILIPPA
Batch No.: C052811

Hi Lydia
there is a Kittorah Tremayne in the 1841 census, however she was born in Stoke Damerell in Devon.
Parents were Henry and Phillipa Tremayne. May or may not be her

Maddie

1841 census

Name: Kittorah Tremayne
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Where born: Devon, England

Civil parish: Stoke Damerell
County/Island: Devon
Registration district: Stoke Damerel

Henry Tremayne 40
Phillippa Tremayne 40
William Tremayne 20
Kittorah Tremayne 17
Samuel Tremayne 14
Henrietta Tremayne 9
Charles Tremayne 7
Mary Tremayne 5
Richard Tremayne 2
Robert Williams 18
Daniel Stephens 45


Lots of names to search for in trees at GR!

1851 England Census
Name: Katurah Martain
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Sages, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Clowance
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Tremayne 51
Phillipps Tremayne 50 (Phillippa on original)
Charles Tremayne 19
Jane Tremayne 15
Richard Tremayne 12
Katurah Martain 27
William Martain 7
Richard Dealy 20
Henniatta Dealy 20
Elizabeth Dealy 8 Mo




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1881; Folio: 302; Page: 12; GSU roll: 221030.