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Thanks again ... you have given me so much information, I am going to send off for the certificate of Harold as you suggested and see where that leads ...

fingers crossed!

Eleanor Eliza Moore Baptism 30 Aug 1893 Alfred Thomas Moore,
Eleanor Moore St John Horselydown Southwark

Alfred Henry Moore Baptism 19 Jul 1895 Alfred Thomas Moore,
Eleanor Moore St John Horselydown Southwark

George William Moore Baptism 23 Dec 1896 Alfred Thomas Moore,
Eleanor Alberta Moore Christ Church, Bermondsey Southwark

Robert Edward Moore Baptism 24 Apr 1898 Alfred Thomas Moore,
Eleanor Moore St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark

William Charles Moore Baptism 14 Oct 1900 Alfred Henry Moore,
Eleanor Moore St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark

Alice Lilian Moore Baptism 24 Aug 1902 Alfred Moore,
Eleanor Moore St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark

Frederick Robert Moore Baptism 25 Oct 1903 Alfred Moore,
Eleanor Moore St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark

Emily Florence Moore Baptism 12 Feb 1905 Alfred Moore,
Eleanor Moore St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark

May Moore Baptism 12 Sep 1906 Alfred Moore,
Eleanor Moore St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Southwark

And then Ancestry stops at 1906 of course


Name: Alfred Thomas Moore<<<<<carman
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Eleanor Alberta Iles
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 May 1892
Parish: All Saints, Stoke Newington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Robert George Moore<<<<seaman
Spouse Father Name: George Iles<<<stevedore

Gotta go now.

viv

The original image has it on it about the children...

I cant find any of the children for them on 1911,but lots of baptisms although sorting out the ones that have died would take time,but I cant find a death for Emily Florence Moore baptised in 1905 and birth reg in 1905.

But nowhere can I see her on 1911 either.

Maybe they are in Guernsey with family?

I found Alfred and Eleanor in 1901 with William aged 6 months and both say born Guernsey on it,but married in St Olave,Eleanor Alberta Iles...

Do come back when you have that Birth for Harold Thomas Tucker, if you would ,and do let me know what is on it,I would be interested....
viv

how do you know about the 11 children?

Did I miss something?

MOORE, Alfred Thomas Husband M (OX) Carman Hickmans Folly
MOORE, Eleanor Alberta Wife F (OX) Guernsey
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1887 Reference:
RG14PN1887 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED19 SN942

Registration District:
St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District:
Bermondsey EnumerationDistrict:
19 Parish:
Bermondsey

Address:
34 Vauban St Bermondsey County:
London

Here are the childrens parents,but NO children with them !

11 children born,6 died 5 living...

Married 19 yrs and Alfred has made a terrible job of the rest of the details.....

The (ox) things have been written by the enumerator I think as they are different hand and pen...

weird isn't it? I found a listing for a Alfred Thomas Moore and Eleanor Alberta at 34 Vauban St Bermondsey - but no children listed at the address!

And then by the ages it has OX??

The George on that is a Carman also!

Name: May Moore
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 12 Sep 1906
Father's Name: Alfred Moore
Mother's Name: Eleanor Moore
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex


Name: Frederick Robert Moore
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 25 Oct 1903
Father's Name: Alfred Moore
Mother's Name: Eleanor Moore
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

George is a Carman on both baptisms,but people did change jobs of course...

Not doing well on 1911 but this is possible for her brother?

Births Dec 1903
MOORE Frederick Robert St. Olave 1d 213

And her?

Births Dec 1906
Moore May St. Olave. 1d 187

So where are they on 1911???

On the marriage lines he is listed as a Dock Labourer.

The address in 1926 was Abbey Street, Bermondsey

What was Alfreds job?I will have a search for them..

Sometimes it is good to bounce your findings off someone else,I find it helps me.

And its my pleasure to try and help,especially someone who has hung around to answer questions and who says thank you!

I think I am going to have to send off for it, and keep my fingers crossed that the birth dates match. Thank you for all your help, really its is appreciated.

I know what you mean, the other side of my family have an incredibly rare surname - much easier sometimes!!

Yes, he seemed to be pretty much around the St Olave/Lambeth district!

No I couldn't find much on May, only that her Father was called Alfred Thomas Moore and that Frederick Robert was a possible a brother?

Name: George Tucker
Death Registration Month/Year: 1919
Age at death (estimated): 58
Registration district: St Olave
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 138

A fall from scaffolding may be ?


Possibly George from 1911 and would make him deceased in 1926...

I would send for the Harold Thomas Tucker birth in Souhwark just to discount it if nothing else .

It may have the correct birthdate on it even if the year is out,which does often happen..
My grandfather always said he was born in 1901,but was actually born in 1902.
I was lucky though as his surname is much more unusual than Tucker and he was easy to find..

Albert,but just may be only a coincidence..

He married May in that district also..

Marriages Mar 1926
Tucker Harold T Moore St.Olave 1d 196


Have you found her on 1911 to see if that 1911 Harold was near her at all?

Harold's first daugher with May was called May Violet and then with my Nan he had Harold, Albert, Joan (Jane) Ronald and Raymond. So really just the Aruther is matched.

Thats the listing I have been looking at, also there is a baptist record that I thought could be connected.

Name: Harold Thomas Tucker
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 23 Nov 1904
Father's Name: George Tucker
Mother's Name: Alice Tucker
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

The 1911

TUCKER, George Head Married
20 years M 50 1861 Builders Labourer Thame Oxon
TUCKER, Alice Wife Married F 43 1868 Southwark VIEW
TUCKER, Emma Daughter Single F 19 1892 Daily Servant Bermondsey
TUCKER, George Son Single M 17 1894 Yard Boy Brockley
TUCKER, Albert Son M 13 1898 School Bermondsey
TUCKER, Ethel Daughter F 11 1900 School Bermondsey
TUCKER, Harold Son M 6 1905 School Southwark
TUCKER, Arthur Son M 4 1907 School Southwark
TUCKER, Florence Daughter F 1 1910 Bermondsey
TUCKER, Violet Daughter F 1 1910 Bermondsey VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1867 Reference:
RG14PN1867 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED2 SN359

Registration District:
St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District:
Bermondsey EnumerationDistrict:
2 Parish:
Bermondsey

Address:
4 Kipling Street B Dsey E County:
London

It certainly has the correct kind of job for George..

Did Harold name any of his children similar names to any of this family?

On his first marriage certifcate in March 1926 his age is listed as 21 the witness are a Frederick Robert Moore and L Knowles, I believe Frederick was the brother of his spouse.

On the second marriage in 1944 his age is listed as 38, the witnesses on that are the Brother in law of my Great Nan a George Bard and then someone called S Butt (have no idea who that was)

Thank you by the way for the help – I really needed someone to pick this apart as I seem to be going round in circles!

Because I couldn't find a Maud listed on the 1911 I was hoping it might be someones middle name or my Nan getting confused as Maud runs thriugh her family quite a lot!

Maud/e is a proper name,Tootsie not I wouldnt have thought..

Just to add it in..

Name: Harold Thomas Tucker
Birth Date: 6 Nov 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: 1981
Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 0045

That’s definitely a possibility, my Nan was actually the one who registered his death and as he had been in the institute from when she was a little girl (and her Mum hardly spoke to her children about her life).

Its just so frustrating that I can’t find a link for him that I feel positive could be his family. My Nan seems to remember two sisters of his but names of ‘Maud and Tootsie’ which could have been nicknames for most females I believe.

Ok,thanks,at least he keeps to the same kind of trade...

Also on a death cert the information is only as good as the informant knew of course,and if he fibbed to your G,nan she would only know that.

So there are only these 2 between 1904 and 1906 then.

Births Mar 1905
Tucker Harold Thomas Williton 5c 231
Tucker Harold Thomas Southwark 1d 21

The Southwark one no doubt being the one in Bermondsey on 1911..

What ages does he give on the certs and are the witnesses any help?

Just laying it all out here really so we can see where its going ,or not as the case may be?