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I have the death information on my g-g-g-grandfather George Frederick Mason dod 1900...dob abt 1835 Camberwell London but I can't find a wife or any other children besides his son George Edward. George E.. moved to Leeds in Yorkshire and married Lillian Townsend in 1920. Can anyone help please. I would really appreciate any information on George Frederick.
Patricia Mason

When and where was his son George Edward born please

Are you sure about the dates here ?There is certainly a George Frederick Mason b 1835 who died 1900 Camberwell but how do you know he is the father of George Edward? Have you taken the info from the 1920 marriage cert and assumed this isthe right one?

I ask because This George Frederick seems very old to be the father of a son who married in 1920

have you got the 1920 marriage cert?
how old was george jnr when he married?
what was george snr's occupation given as?

(different patricia) For background:
George E Mason
Spouse Surname: Townsend Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
Registration district: Hunslet Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - West Riding Volume Number: 9b Page Number: 1664
Lilian Townsend Mason Jul-Aug-Sep 1920 Hunslet Yorkshire - West Riding

George Edward was born 1865/67 he was married to Emily Sharp 1890 I believe she died after her second child George Edward was born.
George Edward married Lillian Townsend when he was 57. I do have their marriage certificate. George Frederick the father to George Edward is the one I can't trace other than his death!
Patricia

This was George Edwards second marriage we do know for sure because we have the accurate information from that point on. George Edward dob 1865/67 it varies on the different census but on his marriage cetificate he is 57 in 1920, so I take that dob for my records.
regards Patricia Mason
It's Goerge Frederick I am trying to find.

George Edward was born Kingston Middlesex. He married his first wife Emily Sharp 1890 in Kingston.
Patricia

Emily Sharpe
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Spouse Name: George Mason>>>>>>> Labourer
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Aug 1890
Parish: St Mary, Hampton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Richmond Upon Thames
Father Name: Lowies Sharpe
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Mason>>>>>>Labourer



~Witnessed bt James Sharp and Annie Sharpe

(The other Patricia)
In the marriage information that Astra found the father is recorded as Frederick.
Have you definitely identified George Edward in the censuses of 1871 and 1881 (as you say that his age varies on the censuses) when he is probably living with his father, and thus you know who his father is. (Could you give us that information, please)
So are you just looking for him in previous censuses?
P.S, If George Edward were 57 for 1920 marriage, then he was born 1862/1863.
For 1890 marriage he was 24, so birth1865/1866

(The other Patricia)
For background information, is this the correct George and Emily?
1901 England Census
George Mason Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Head Spouse's name: Emily Gender: Male Where born: Camberwell, London, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Chrysostom County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 111 Hill Street ?? Occupation: general watchman Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Household schedule number: 32
George Mason 33
Emily Mason 32 Ireland (32 not definite)
Fred Mason 8 Camberwell
Dorothy Mason 3 Camberwell
George Mason 1
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 509; Folio: 78; Page: 5.

(The other Patricia)
Still trying to understand ages, and the fact that Emily is down as born Ireland in 1901. Anyway, is this Emily with father Lewis and witness James, as family in 1871?
1871 England Census
Lewis Sharp
Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: High Easter, Essex, England Civil parish: Hampton Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Hampton County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Kingston Sub-registration district: Hampton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 81
Lewis Sharp 40
Mary Sharp 40
Mary Sharp 17
Louisa Sharp 14
Esther Sharp 11
James Sharp 9
John Sharp 7
Ann Sharp 5
Emily Sharp 2 Hampton Middlesex
Levi G Sharp 3 months
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 865; Folio: 14; Page: 18; GSU roll: 827766.

(The other Patricia)
George Edward Mason born 1865 +/-, Kingston Middlesex, so is this him and family in 1871:
1871 England Census
George Mason Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Sophia Gender: Male Where born: Hampton, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hampton Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: Hampton County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Kingston Sub-registration district: Hampton ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 104
George Mason 32 Miller's carman Emonton Middlesex
Sophia Mason 33 Hampton
Charles Mason 13
John Mason 11
Emma Mason 8
George Mason 6
Arthur Mason 5
William Mason 2
Kate Mason 1
Charles Milam 45
Sarah Milam 13
Harriet Milam 11
Jane Milam 9
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 865; Folio: 84; Page: 20; GSU roll: 827766 ?

There seems to be two threads here about same family.

I have just been on the other looking for Martha Maude Mason 1893 with brother George Lewis/Louis Mason 1893 both born Kingston.

Maryb

Yes Astra you are correct.
But I have that information, I have George E's death certificate..age 76 died 21.11.1943 in Leeds. which gives me dob 1867. I have copies of George Edward's first marriage to Emily Sharp born Hampton reg district Kingston Middlesex. and his second marriage to Lillian Townsend in Leeds. On George Ed' marriage certificate it states father as George Frederick deceased, that was 1920. We were always led to believe that the Mason family were originally from London, but where? because I can.t find George Frederick or his wife whoever she was anywhere. You are all so slick at this searching and I am geetting really frustrated most of my relatives are deceased so I have no-one to ask. Please keep helping. Patricia Mason

Yes this is the correct Emily Sharp

I have just printed off the 1871 census and maybe it is the correct George Edward with father George Fred' I do wish the census people would have put the second names on the forms it would make the detective work a bit easier. Now do I send for the marriage cert' for George F' and Sophia or try looking throught the marriage searches?
regards Patricia 2.

Yes Mary I have been asking about George Frederick Mason and his grandaughter Martha Mary Mason dob 6. 12.1891 I have a copy of her baptism record and also her brother George Louis Mason who was my grandfather dob 10.12.1893.
It was Martha I was hoping to find decendants of because we didn't know she existed until I started using G/R a few months ago.
regards Patricia 2

I posted the marriage record for the benefit of the researchers because the added information it contained may have been useful. When we are looking for someone we are working blind. You have to remember that you know this family from your research but we don't and the more information we can find then the better it is. You gave us the year of his first marriage but didn't tell us that on that record his father was just Frederick and a labourer. So how do we know if we are looking for a George Frederick or just a Frederick? What made you decide to go by the name on the 1920 marriage and not the 1890 one? What other information do you have that names his Father as George?

This is the right one I am sure so I will send fort the certificate and hope for more information on George the father.
regards Patricia 2