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Tried that got too many possibles because Im not sure of his age

When you have time have a look on Freecen for Angus Grant in 1841. Don't select a birthplace or cenus area, Not that many come up and some of those can be eliminated because of age.

http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Thanks for replying, Ah! yes! a lot of that begatting in fornication seemed to happen then! Not a bit like nowadays (she laughs)!!

So Angus may have been living elsewhere in 1841 and Margaret's surname was really McDonald then and not using her maiden surname because she was widowed.

On Johns birth record its says Angus as the father and Margaret Macdonald as the mother but they were not married at this point as it says begotton in fornication.I have not got as far as looking on Johns marriage cert as I was looking for a marriage of his father and Im still abit slow (plus Im at work)

Statutory registration didn't begin until 1855 in Scotland. Even if you can't find a marriage on Scotlandspeople it may be that they married in a different church . The OPRs are mostly church of Scotland records. Is it the marriage for Angus and his wife that you can't find please? Just out of interest was Margaret named as Angus's wife on John's marriage certificate please? Was John's mother still alive when he married? If so have you searched for her death certificate in the hope of getting her parents' names?

I cant find a marriage I found a birth cert 23/12/1831 father angus mother margaret macdonald daughter of John macdonald cant find a marriage perhaps they didnt marry.

Thanks Ihave done that and managed to get a cert showing his father Angus and Mother
Thanks again

Go to
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Follow the instructions to register as a new user.

You need to buy credits. £6 for 30 credits - 1 credit to view search result and 5 to view / download entry in register.

So for your £6 (as you have an area and a year for John b. about 1861), you should get his birth and his parents marriage for 12 credits - cheap or what compared to buying English or Irish certificates!

You can easily use up the leftover credits looking for deaths of his siblings as you have approximate year of bith for each from the census. Their death certificates will give their parents names, including the mother's maiden surname (if the informant knew) as confirmation that you have the correct person and will also give you the name(s) of any spouses if they married.

Good Luck.

I dont know how to buy certificates

John (b. 1861)'s birth entry on Scotlandspeople will give you the date and place of his parents marriage. That marriage certificate should then confirm the names of his grandparents.

Rootgather Yes I have a son John b.1861 I do not know of any other brothers and sister John b.1861 married Isabella Gammack

Just in the passing Murdoch (Murdock) Grent was the husband of MARY McDonald.

And a possible sister??

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0

ANNE GRANT Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 05 JUL 1829 Boleskine, Inverness, Scotland

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Parents:
Father: ANGUS GRANT Family
Mother: MARGARET MACDONALD


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Possible birth? Again from the IGI

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0

JOHN GRANT Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 23 DEC 1831 Boleskine, Inverness, Scotland

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Parents:
Father: ANGUS GRANT Family
Mother: MARGARET MACDONALD


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

If that is the correct John, this could be the Margaret McDonald connect.

Name: John Grant
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: Inverness, Scotland

Civil parish: Boleskine and Abertarff
County: Inverness
Address: Ardachy
Parish Number: 92
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret McDonald 35
John Grant 9


Source Citation: Parish: Boleskine and Abertarff; ED: 6; Page: 1; Line: 1335; Roll ; Year: 1841.


The 1841 census does not give relationships. Sometimes widows appear on the 1841 census using their maiden surnames.

1881 census for the above couple. Do you recognise any of the names of the children?

Name: John Grant
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Invernessshire, Inverness
Registration Number: 204
Registration district: Inverurie
Civil parish: Inverurie
Town: Inverurie
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 12 Burn Lane
Occupation: Plasterer (Gaelic)
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 25
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_61
Household Members: Name Age
John Grant 50
Jane Grant 37
John Grant 20
James Grant 18
Susan Grant 13
William Grant 11
George Grant 8
Jane Grant 4
Robert Grant 1

Source Citation: Parish: Inverurie; ED: 3; Page: 6; Line: 4; Roll cssct1881_61; Year: 1881.

I wonder if this is your John??

This is from www.familysearch.org - which is free.
Please be aware that it is a submitted entry so you need to check the details for accuracy.


Individual Record FamilySearch™ Pedigree Resource File

Search Results | Print

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John Grant Compact Disc #114 Pin #630303 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: 23 Dec 1831

Ardachy, Boleskine, Inverness, Scotland

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Parents

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Jane Esson Disc #114 Pin #630302
Marriage: 28 Jan 1860
Burghmuir, Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland


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Personal Information
Residence: 1860/65
Burghmuir, Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Occupation: 1860/72
Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland Agricultural labourer
Residence: 1868/71
113 North Street, Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Residence: 26 Jul 1872
8 Blackhall Road, Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Residence: 1875/91
12 Burnlane, Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Occupation: 4 Mar 1875
Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland Mason's labourer
Occupation: 1881/91
Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland Plasterer journeyman

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Notes and Sources
Notes: None
Sources: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 114

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Submitter
Maureen E. BRADY
25955 West Cuba Road Barrington, Illinois 60010-2405



The marriage also appears as an extracted record and the dates are the same.

So as Potty says you need the marriage certificate to get his parents names.

Did John and Jane marry in 1860? If so, you should be able to find their marriage on Scotlandspeople site. It is a pay to view site but you can view, print and download images of original birth, marriage and death entries (or parish records from before 1855).

Scottish certs give far more info than English ones and a marriage cert will give both parents' names. A birth cert will give date and place or parents' marriage as well as their names.

Im still learning and am awaiting instruction re finding stuff for myself therefore need all the help i can get.

Have you searched trees on here? have you tried the Archives centre nearest to where they lived? Parish records may well be online on thier website, this will enable you to check for a marriage and christening. The christening will show the childs parents , dads occupation and abode.good luck