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Can you please help me find this lady on the 1841 and 1851 census’ which I don’t have access to.

There is a record of her as being Christened in Kendal in 1833.

She married Frederick William True in 1868 in Preston giving Christopher (deceased) as her father. They went on to live in Fleetwood, Liverpool and Liscard

It isn’t clear on the church record if her age is 30, 35 or 36.

All the census’ after she married give variations on her age and even a death record on Free BMD only shows her age as 66 in 1927 when she should be either in her late 80’s or early 90’s
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Michael 26th March 2010 10:15 Request review
Can anyone who has access to the 1861 census please help me find this individual.

She was born in 1833 in Kendal and only married in 1868 as a spinster. in 1851 she was working as a servant in Scotforth Lancaster.

Thanks, Mike.

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Christina 26th March 2010 10:22 Request review


1861 Sar Airey

Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Kendal, Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Kendal
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Kendal
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kendal
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
William Airey 70
Ann Airey 69
George Airey 39
Ann Airey 29
Sarah Airey



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Michael 26th March 2010 10:25 Request review
hello Christina,

Unfortunately this isn't her.

Both parents died before 1840

Mike.

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Christina 26th March 2010 10:37 Request review
there is a Sarah Airy born 1835 but it says Lancaster - she is living in Oldham with her 1 month old daughter Betsy - she is unmarried and a house servant - any good?

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rootgatherer 26th March 2010 10:41 Request review
Also thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1212444

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Michael 26th March 2010 10:50 Request review
Don't think that would be her as all the census records up to 1901 state Kendal as her birthplace. her married name was True. Her father was Christopher.

Could this be her in the 1851 census:-

Name: Sarah Airey
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kendal, Westmorland, England
Civil parish: Scotforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Lancaster
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Lancaster
Sub-registration district: Lancaster
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Robt Henry Lumb 50
Ellen Maryann Lumb 48
Ellen Ann Lumb 25
Mary Elizabeth Lumb 20
Sarah Airey 17

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2272; Folio: 550; Page: 12; GSU roll: 87299.

Kath. x

Looks like some sort of institution she's in in 1841

Name: Sarah Airey
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Kendal
Hundred: Kendal
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kendal


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It is Kendal Workhouse.

Hello Kath,

If its the one b 1833 her mother was Sarah and she had a sister Ann and brother John Smith Airey

Also in the Workhouse in 1841

Name: Ann Airey
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Kendal
Hundred: Kendal
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kendal

The Sarah found by Rootgatherer in 1841 is in the Workhouse.

Kath. x

That looks right Rootgatherer. On the christening record Sarah has a sister Ann christened 1830.

Kath. x

A reason for them to be in the workhouse perhaps - this looks like the father's death:-

Name: Christopher Airey
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Kendal (1837-1937)
County: Lancashire, Westmorland
Volume: 25
Page: 211

Kath. x

Thanks very much

Mike

There is another Sarah Airey in Westmorland born in 1832 according to the census

1861

Name: Sarah Airey
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Barbon, Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Middleton
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kirkby Lonsdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
James Airey 61 Farmer of 136 acres employing 2 boys
Jane Airey 59
Sarah Airey 29
Ann Braithwaite 22
James Airey 20
John Airey 17
William Airey 15
Martin Airey 13
John Braithwaite 27
James Braithwaite 1
Jane Airey Hodgson 8


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3968; Folio: 63; Page: 4; GSU roll: 543214.

Does that 1861 entry list Sarah as James' daughter or niece ?
My Sarah's father was Christopher..

The Sarah on the 1861 census that Rootgatherer found does give her father as James so I don't think she is the one you are looking for.

Kath. x

Thanks for that.
It was just a thought that she may be lodging with her uncle after father died.

You say that the death record on FreeBMD has her age out by 20 or more years. Are you sure you have the correct death record? There is this death where the age would be near enough right for a birth in 1833:-

Name: Sarah J True
Death Registration Month/Year: 1916
Age at death (estimated): 83
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 343

Kath. x

That does add up ......but Burnley???
Will have to get the cert to check.
Thanks again.

I have her and Frederick still living in Liscard in 1911 on the 1911 census. They had been in this area for 20 years at least. Although the name and ages seem to fit, it seems more likely she died in Liscard. The name True isn't exactly a common one to the area.

What are your thoughts?

Mike.

I still feel that the death in Burnley is the nearest in age to "your" Sarah and it does have the correct middle initial. People don't always die in the place where they live. She could have been ill in hospital, moved into a nursing home, been visiting friends - any number of reasons for being in the Burnley registration district when she died.

Ages are often wrong on death certificates as it depends on who is giving the information and how well they knew the deceased - however I think 20 years out is rather too much to be believed.

Kath. x

I will check the certificate and at least that will confirm whether its her or not. Will let you know.

Thanks for getting back to me.

Mike.

Nudge

Kath,

Finally received the death certificate and she died in Nelson which is only a few miles out of Burnley so your guidance proved correct, thanks very much.

Not sure who she was living with in Nelson as her son William Charles True lived in Bolton.

Does anyone have access to an Electoral Roll for Nelson please? The year was 1916. This would give the Head of Household, and as her death certificate gives Seniltiy as one of the causes of death, I would think she must be living with another family.

On this certificate and in the where and when died section, there are the letters M.D. writen under the date and address. Can anyone enlighten me as to the meaning of this please?

The address on the death certificate was 4 Derby Street.