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I'm hoping that SKS with a subscription to FindMyPast might be able to have a look for an overseas marriage for me, as follows:

c1851 - William ALLINSON / Harriet WILLOUGHBY

(My own subscription is with Ancestry - and this is the first time I've had to search abroad!)

Many, many thanks for any help you can give.

Penny

Hi Penny

I checked under both names between 1849 and 1853, and in some cases much wider ranges,but afraid no matches under either name.

Nicky

Where do you think they married?

Rose

Do you have them on any census?..If there were children where were they born?

Is this them in 1861??

ALLINSON, William Head Married M 62 1799 Land Proprietor
Thornton
Lincolnshire VIEW
ALLINSON, Harriett Wife Married F 50 1811 Land Proprietors Wife
Elsham
Lincolnshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2403 Folio:
60 Page:
15



Registration District:
Glanford Brigg Sub District:
3 Barton EnumerationDistrict:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Barrow upon Humber Municipal Borough:
Address:
Marton Road Street, Barrow Upon Humber County:
Lincolnshire


Nicky

This could be them -

1861 Wales Census
Name: Harriet Allison
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Prostonhakes, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish or Township: Monmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford
Town: Monmouth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Monmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members: Name Age
William Allison 44 born Ireland
Harriet Allison 31
Agnes Allison 9 born Portsmouth
Adelaide Allison 8 born Winchester
Fredrick Willenghty Allison 5 born Pembroke Dock
John Willenghty Allison 1 born Monmouth




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3987; Folio: 20; Page: 16; GSU roll: 543218.


Original is Frederick Willoughby Allinson and John Willoughby Allinson

1851 England Census
Name: Harriott Willoughby
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston Capes, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Preston Capes
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Weedon
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
William Willoughby 59
Elizabeth Willoughby 58
James Willoughby 25
Harriott Willoughby 20
Henry W Willoughby 17
William H Willoughby 5




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1741; Folio: 218; Page: 4; GSU roll: 87696.

Agnes' birth:

Births Sep 1851
Allison Agnes Portsea 7 168

Rose

William in 1851:

1851 England Census
about William Allinson
Name: William Allinson
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Naas, Kildare, Ireland

Civil parish: Weedon Beck
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Weedon
ED, institution, or vessel: Military Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1

Rpse

Many thanks to you all for your replies.

Choccy has found the correct census entries for 1851 and 1861 (Harriet in Preston Capes and the whole ALLINSON family in Monmouth respectively).

On the 1851 census William is an army private stationed at Weedon Barracks (not far from Preston Capes). He was born in c1816 in Naas (possible mistranscription?), Kildare, Ireland. With him was his son (also William) who was born c1840 in Gibraltar.

Harriet obviously "fell for a soldier" because later in 1851 they had their first child, Agnes, who was born in Portsmouth, Hants.

What is missing is William and Harriet's marriage record - I can't see any sign of it on FreeBMD - so wondered if they may have married abroad, or possibly back in Ireland?

If anyone has any further ideas, I would be very grateful!

Thanks again for your help.

Penny

Looks like William is listed as married in 1851.

Rose

Is Harriet listed as the mother of Agnes?

Where is Harriet in 1871?

Rose

Hi Rose ...

Thanks for your replies. Yes, Harriet is Agnes's mother - and I had not spotted that William is recorded as married on the 1851 census entry (but to Harriet or his first wife???).

Unfortunately, I can find no record of Harriet ALLINSON (or WILLOUGHBY), born c1831 in Northamptonshire on any census after that 1861 entry. Neither can I find any death record for Harriet (either surname).

There is a Public Member Tree on Ancestry which has William's first wife (Mary A. UNKNOWN), mother of William born c1840 in Gibraltar, living in Plumstead, Kent, on the 1901 census (which would explain possibly the absence of a marriage for William and Harriet) but on checking the actual entry I cannot see the connection to the ALLINSONs (she is recorded with the surname MORRIS).

Any ideas? (Am off to bed now, but will check back tomorrow!)

Penny

Penny,

I see there was another Agnes Bertha Allinson born 1862 in Aston, after the first one died. She is staying with her brother in 1871. She ends up marrying a Willoughby!

The Aston connection led me to find Harriet Pew/Pugh with Samuel. Harriet's details fit perfectly but I can find no marriage. Samuel had a wife in 1861. Will post details later.

Rose

Was looking for John and found this:

1871 England Census
about Agness B Allison
Name: Agness B Allison
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham
Civil parish: Walford
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ross
Sub-registration district: Ross
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
William Bibey 50
Mary Bibey 52
John Allison 11
Agness B Allison 8

Rose

Then found this, although there's yet another child called Agnes:

1871 England Census
about Harriett Pew
Name: Harriett Pew
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston Capes, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Duddeston Cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 119
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Pew 42
Harriett Pew 40
Agnes Pew 5
Hannah Pew 3
Samuel Pew 1

Rose

1881 England Census
about Harriet Pugh
Name: Harriet Pugh
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Retheyn Cape, Wales
Civil parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: No 6 House 4 Court Lander St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Aston Manor
ED, institution, or vessel: 70
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Pugh 52
Harriet Pugh 52
Agnes Pugh 15
Hannah Pugh 13
Samuel Pugh 11
William Pugh 9
James Pugh 7

Rose

1891 England Census
about Harriet Pugh
Name: Harriet Pugh
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 72
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Pugh 60
Hannah Pugh 22
William Pugh 18
James Pugh 16
Amelia Banks 2

Rose

Think this could be her death:

Deaths Jun 1892
Pugh Harriet 61 Birmingham 6d 4

Rose

Agnes Bertha marries Henry William Willoughby who was the son of Harriet's brother:

1891 England Census
about Henry W Willoughby
Name: Henry W Willoughby
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Agnes B
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry W Willoughby 33
Agnes B Willoughby 28
Agnes E Willoughby 5
Beatrice B Willoughby 3
Flora A Willoughby 7/12

Rose

Can you view this tree?

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/14461780/person/110315856?ssrc=

This mirrors what I found but they have Harriet's death in 1916.

Rose