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Many thanks Ozi that is great

Pat

Deaths Jun 1851
Howard __irza Stringer Manchester 20 41_

Goostrey to Swettenham is just over 5 km.

Sylvia
I have a record of Thirza with her parents being Jonathon Harding christened Swettenham Cheshire and married on 3/8/1807. Thirza was christened 4/3/1810 at the same place.
I have no idea if it is close to Goostrey.
Pat

Hello Sylvia
Yes I have been looking for Thirza's death and cannot find it anywhere. I was going to ask someone where else to look. She must have died as Samuel remarried. I have found some children Matilda Rachel, James (who was born in Cheshire) William Henry (baptised Cathedral Manchester, Sarah Hannah Baptised St George's Hulme Manchester and I am still looking for Alfred. Alfred may have been her last child as Samuel remarried about 1852/4. I got it off the IGI.
Thanks
Pat

Thanks Margaret

This is from www.lan-opc.org.uk ... the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks site


I asked for Howard baptisms, with father Samuel and mother Thirza between 1835 and 1855, and this is the only one that came up


Baptisms: 15 Jul 1838 St Mary, Rawtenstall, Lancashire, England
Matilda Rachael Howard - Child of Samuel Howard & Thirza Stringer
Abode: Reeds Holin
Occupation: Engraver
Baptised by: Wm Whitworth
Register: Baptisms 1838 - 1847, Page 1, Entry 6
Source: LDS Film 1040344





I also looked for a burial for Thirza, couldn't find anything



sylvia

and here they are in 1841 ..... although Thirza says she was born in ca 1810, Goostrey, Cheshire on the 1851 census

1841 Census

Name: Thirza Howard
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme

Samuel Howard 20 b.ca 1821, Lancashire, Engraver
Thirza Howard 30
Matilda Howard 3
James Howard 1
Hannah Howard 15 <<<<<<<<<< actually noted as living by herself in another part of the house. no occupation given



The ages on the 1841 census for adults over the age of 15 are usually rounded down to the closest 5 ................... so they are usually up to 4 years too young. Also, relationships between members of a house or household are not given on this census.



sylvia

BVRI records are not online as far as I know. Mine are a set of 16 cd's that I purchased many years ago. I understand they're no longer for sale. I believe they're different records from those on IGI but there is some overlap

Thanks Kath,
Is the BVRI the same as the IGI vital records? Or is that another web site?
Cheers
Pat

This is a possible for Matilda Rachel Howard's marriage:-

Name: Matilda R Howard
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 56

Kath. x

The BVRI is the British Vital Records Index.

According to the census returns William Henry Howard was born Hulme, Manchester, but I guess you already know that if you have his birth certificate.

Kath. x

Many thanks for all the help. I am now retiring as it is nearly midnight here in South Australia.
Pat

Hello Margaret
Not sure what BVRI is but on the IGI there is a Sarah Hannah and she was christened the same place as William Henry at Hulme.
Thanks for your help
Pat

Yes I had the marriage and it was confirmed with William Henry's birth certificate.
CHeers
Pat

Only one child of Samuel & Thirza on BVRI:

HOWARD, Matilda Rachel Christening
Gender: Female
Birthplace: England
Christening Date: 15 Jul 1838 Recorded in: Rawtenstall, Lancashire, England
Father: Samuel HOWARD
Mother: Thirza Stringer
Source: FHL Film 1040344 Dates: 1838 - 1847

Thanks Kath The girls have disappeared but who knows with a new wife. I do not think William Henry was happy as he would not tell anyone where he came from or what. So it has been difficult, but things are coming together.
Many thanks for your help
Pat

Do you have the marriage to Thirza? From BVRI:

HOWARD, Samuel Marriage
Wife: Thirza Stringer HARDING
Marriage Date: 26 Jun 1837 Recorded in: Goostrey cum barnshaw, Cheshire, England
Source: FHL Film 1655823 Dates: 1831 - 1839

Same family in 1871:-

Name: Samuel Howard
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Disley, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Glossop
Ecclesiastical parish: Whitfield
Town: Whitfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Glossop
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age

Samuel Howard 54, Engraver to Calico Printers
Jane Howard 49
Samuel S Howard 17
Jane M Howard 16
Fanny A Howard 14
Catharine A Howard 13

Address:- 33 Primrose (?) Lane

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3642; Folio: 54; Page: 3; GSU roll: 841853.

Kath. x

I think this may be Samuel in the 1861 census with a new wife:-

Name: Saml Howard
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Disley, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 17 Naylor Street

Occupation: Engraver to Calico Printers

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 159
Household Members:
Name Age

Saml Howard 44
Jane Howard 39
William Howard 18
Saml Howard 7
Jane Howard 6
Fanny Howard 5
Catharine Howard 11 Mo

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2890; Folio: 90; Page: 34; GSU roll: 543045.

Kath. x

Hi Kath
Can you look up the 1861 census and see if they were still around. William Henry ended up out here in Australia. Not too much is know about him
Many thanks
Pat