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Hello,
I am trying to find out the maiden name for Rose. On the 1911 census she is married to Issac Bates. She was born in West Bromwich, Staffs. She was 36yrs in 1911.
Many Thanks for any help.
Kind Regards,
Georgina

Do you have how long they were married on 1911 census?
Jan

no it didn't say - I will just double check though

It doesnt say how long they have been married but it might be ROBERTS as her mother is with them and Roses daughter?(poss illegit)??
And of course they may not be legally married?

BATES, Isaac Head Married M 40 1871 Bill Inspector West Bromwich Staff
BATES, Rose Wife Married F 36 1875 Home West Bromwich Staff
BATES, Dolly Daughter F 6 1905 West Bromwich Staff
ROBERTS, Martha Mother Of The Above Widow F 80 1831 Home West Bromwich Staff
ROBERTS, Alice Adpoted Daughter Single F 18 1893 Packer West Bromwich Staff
BATES, Cecil Adpoted Son M 8 1903 West Bromwich Staff

What about this one?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
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Bates Isaac Obadiah W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Farley William George W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Goodyear Rosannah W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Hawkes Harriett W. Bromwich 6b 1472

Just a guess:

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
Bates Isaac Obadiah W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Farley William George W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Goodyear Rosannah W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Hawkes Harriett W. Bromwich 6b 1472

On freeseach year of marriage checks out as 1897.
Jan

Hi,
yes the roberts surname was confusing me how the relationship worked because of the follows. In the 1901 census Alice Roberts was registered at her mother and fathers house but also as a visitor with Issac Bates, Rose Bates, Eliza Goodyear and Elizabeth Goodyear. It is Alice Roberts I am really intereste in, but am trying to work out the link to this family. As they (Issac and Rose) had apoted her (Alice) in 1911 - after her birth parents had died - confusing!!!

George

hello Georgina.

I have found this on FreeBMD:

Isaac Obadiah Bates
Married West Bromwich, April/May/June 1897
on the same page (volume 6b, page 1472) is:

Rosannah Goodyear.

David

How annoying Dolly is a nickname it seems!
Jan

What would Dolly typically be a nickname for?

Probably Dorothy or similar? But could be anything really.
Jan

Going on the 1891 Isaac is stepson so must be Marthas son I would have thought from a previous marriage for her, which I guess would make him Uncle to Alice?

On 1891 Isaac has a sister called Eliza so maybe this is Dolly?
Pure guess though of course.


Births Sep 1905
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Bates Eliza Dorothy W. Bromwich 6b 864

I'm sure the Rosanna Goodyear mariage is right - birth year matches:

Births Sep 1875 (>99%)
GOODYEAR Rosanna W. Bromwich 6b 816

And I think she went by the name of Rose:


1881 England Census
about Rose Goodyear
Name: Rose Goodyear
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 51 Claypit Lane
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West

Thank-you for the step son link, I'm being very dense please help me out so if Alice's natural father was Edward Roberts - how does this link him to Issac Bates?

Sorry that should have been 1881 not 1891

1881
ROBERTS, George Head Married M 44 1837 Puddler In Iron Works
Bilston
Staffordshire
ROBERTS, Martha Wife Married F 49 1832
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
BATES, Samuel Step Son Single M 20 1861 Brickmaker
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
ROBERTS, John Son Single M 20 1861 Puddler In Iron Works
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
BATES, Eliza Step Daughter Single F 17 1864 Soap Factory Girl
West Bromwich
Staffordshire VIEW
BATES, Isaac Step Son Single M 15 1866 Brickyard Laborer
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
ROBERTS, Sarah Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
ROBERTS, Phoebe A Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
West Bromwich

Edit ..still searching to try and find the link..

I'm so confused now does anyone know why the Bates and Roberts were so mixed?

so looking at it again I presume the Bates must have been hers from a previous marriage and the Roberts are his?

Yes ,
Are you sure that Alice is the same child on both the 1901 census?

Seems to be only one birth to fit anyway.

Name: Alice Roberts
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 840

This is probably the marriage of Isaac's mother to George Roberts:

Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)
BATES Martha Dudley 6c 111
Bird Mary Jane Dudley 6c 111
ROBERTS George Dudley 6c 111
Wilson George Dudley 6c 111