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1871 England Census
Name: Eliza Newman
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Stafford, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St John The Evangelist in the East
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 205
Household Members: Name Age
George Newman 43
Eliza Newman 47
Arthur Newman 6
Andrew Day 22
Thomas Gurner 48
John Grumman 58




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 532; Folio: 48; Page: 34; GSU roll: 823387.

1861 England Census
Name: Virtue Day
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Berwick St James, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Stapleford
Ecclesiastical parish: Stapleford
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wilton
Sub-registration district: Wilton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Saph 57
Harriet Saph 53
Matilda Day 18
Virtue Day 14




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1318; Folio: 132; Page: 18; GSU roll: 542795.

1891 England Census
Name: Eliza Newman
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Stapleford, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St James Clerkenwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Newman 26
Annie Newman 26
Eliza Newman 66
Herbert Dary 12
Frances Day 9
Lillian E Newman 2
Rhoda E Newman 6/12




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 223; Folio 98; Page 16; GSU roll: 6095333.

Choccy, thank you! This is brilliant, George Sr's sister, Virtue, is a nice discovery as George Jr's daughter was called Gladys Virtue Day, my step mother's great-aunt who died in 2002 age 95, who I had met many times when I was younger.

This census records gives shows that Eliza Day (later Newman's) first husband died must have died not long before that census was taken as George was 2 months old. It also gives George Sr's paternal grandmother's name.

possibly

Marriages Jun 1845 (>99%)
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Cornish Sophia Wilton 8 743
******Day George Wilton 8 743
******Leversuch Eliza Wilton 8 743
Potticary Joseph Wilton 8 743

This would have be a lot easier if you had brought Georges B/C then you'll have his MMN

1851 England Census
Name: Eliza Day
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Stapleford, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Berwick St James
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Wilton
Sub-registration district: Wilton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Day 29
Sarah Day 6
Virtue Day 4
Andrew Day 2
George Day 2 Mo
Sarah Day 69




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1848; Folio: 125; Page: 6; GSU roll: 220995.

Niall

In your shoes I would order Herbert's birth cert first. We know it's the right one so it would help lots.

It is possible that Frances was George's second wife but cross that bridge if and when you come to it.

Jill

for reference -


1901 England Census
Name: Eliza Newman
Age: 79
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Stapleford, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St James, Clerkenwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 355
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Newman 79
George Day 50
Clarisea Day 19




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 250; Folio: 107; Page: 43.

Hi Jill & Choccy,

Thanks for looking all this up, it certainly is complicated!

The Hodgson one does look promising, its in the right area and after looking it up, Francis is occassionally used as a girl's name.

However, the one in 1883 is the only one that has George's middle name and is also in the right area. Perhaps ordering Herbert or George Jr's birth certificate is the best idea, then I should be able to get the correct marriage - whenever it was!

Has anyone had any luck with finding the family in the other censuses?

Oooh - just had a look at that marriage cert that Choccy found.

If it is the right one and Frances Hodsdon is your woman then her father was a Fellowship Porter. That's an interesting little line of enquiry in itself! (I have one of those back there somewhere)

Jill

Doh!

Choccy - why didn't I think of that!

Slaps forehead in complete frustration!

Jill

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: George Day (Carman)
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Francis Hodsdon
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Nov 1874
Parish: Saint George In The East
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Day (Carman)
Spouse Father Name: James John Hodsdon



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint George In The East, Register of marriages, P93/GEO, Item 062

there's a tree on Ancestry with George Day's wife as Frances Hodsdon


Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
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BEASLEY Eliza St Geo East 1c 914
********DAY George St. Geo. East 1c 914
Fry Henry St. Geo. East 1c 914
********Hodsdon Francis St. Geo. East 1c 914


looks like christian name mis-transcribed, should be Frances

OK - this is definitely Herbert Andrew Day. This cert will give you mum's maiden name and help you unravel it all a bit more:

Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
Day Herbert Andrew Holborn 1b 732 Scan available - click to view

Jill

Possibly a red herring?

Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
Emmerson Frances Clarissa Marylebone 1a 613 Scan available - click to view

Jill

Can't see another marriage around that time on Ancestry.

Spotted this on FreeBMD - although it's a bit late - but stranger things have happened!

Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
Day George James Marylebone 1a 1033 Scan available - click to view
LOWE Frances Marylebone 1a 1033 Scan available - click to view
SLIDLE Florence Maria Marylebone 1a 1033 Scan available - click to view
Wilson William Charles Marylebone 1a 1033 Scan available - click to view

Possible death for Frances?

You would need to check the image as there is obviously a confusion over the ref numbers (unless they are two separate women which seems unlikely)

Deaths Dec 1884 (>99%)
DAY Frances 34 Holborn 1b 498 Scan available - click to view
Day Frances 34 Holborn 1b 511 Scan available - click to view

Just searching on surname Day - parents George and Frances - around that time:

Frederick Day
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Apr 1873
Father's Name: George Day
Mother's Name: Frances Day
Parish: All Saints, Laleham
Borough: Surrey
County: Middlesex



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Andrew, Coin Street, Register of baptisms, P85/AND2, Item 002


Address: 1 Windmill Row. Dad is a labourer.


Another possibility:

Frances Clarrissa Day
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 1 Oct 1886
Father's Name: George Day
Mother's Name: Frances Day
Parish: Saint James, Clerkenwell
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint James, Clerkenwell, Register of baptisms, P76/JS1, Item 021


Born 6 April 1882. Address 2 Seymour Place. George is a cabman.



This one may not be yours but I'm posting it anyway.

Address is Harrow Weald. Dad is a labourer. Mum is likely to be Fanny - not Tanny!

Charles Edward Day
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 28 Jul 1872
Father's Name: George Day
Mother's Name: Tanny Day
Parish: All Saints
Borough: Harrow
County: Middlesex

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, All Saints, Harrow, Register of baptisms, DRO/108, Item 002



Jill

Hi Jill,

In which case, I don't think that is likely that that is the correct one, with both the Croydon link and with the issue of Frances Tamsin Isaac being born in Devizes, Wiltshire.

Is there no other marriages that would fit? As his wife had died by 1911, and he was listed as a widower, George Sr had not listed how long he had been married, which would have given a clue.