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Mother of Margaret & James McLean

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Grianaig

Grianaig Report 9 Dec 2009 17:38

Tracing my maternal side, have hit a very sticky situation. It concearns my 2x G Grandmother Margaret McLean.
She married her husband John swan in 1885 in Glasgow and it gave her parents names as being James McLean & Margaret Sutherland. However when looking for her birth cert in or around 1849 I cannot fnd her.
However in the 1881 Scotland Census states that she was the Stepdaughter of a woman called Margaret McLean. So her father James must of been married at least twice.
Cannot find any of his marriages. Nor can I find either Margarets or James birth records.

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 9 Dec 2009 18:18

Iain

What age does it say she was when she married and where does it say that they were all born in the 1881 census? DO the ages in the census and marriage cert tie up?

Jackie

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 9 Dec 2009 18:29

Checked the parish records for a birth of Margaret McLean father James around the time you said and these came up

1 03/05/1846 MCLEAN MARGARET JAMES MCLEAN/MARGARET MCKILLOP FR7334 F PERTH /PERTH 387/ 0280 0104 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 31/01/1853 MCLEAN MARGARET JAMES MCLEAN/JANET ROBERTSON FR552 MADDERTY /PERTH 378/ 0030 0052 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 21/02/1853 MCLEAN MARGARET JAMES MCLEAN/MARY WYLIE FR6401 F GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/001 0390 0366 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 19/10/1853 MCLEAN MARGARET JAMES MCLEAN/MARY MCQUILLAN FR680 F CARDROSS /DUNBARTON 494/ 0030 0234 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

not quite sure where you would go from here though as parish records give no other info than what is on the index

June

June Report 9 Dec 2009 18:29

is this the 1881 for ref

Name: Margaret McLean
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relationship: Stepdaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration Number: 685/3
Registration district: Canongate
Civil parish: Edinburgh South Leith
County: Midlothian
Occupation: Dressmaker
ED: 37
Household schedule number: 89
Line: 15
Roll: cssct1881_287
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret McLean 58
Margaret McLean 31
James McLean 30
Isabella McLean 12
William McLean 10
Alexander McLean 8
Charles McLean 1
John Swan 25





June x

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 18:38

1901
Margaret Swan
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 575
Registration district: Renfrew
Civil parish: Renfrew
Town: Renfrew
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 27 Queen St
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 177
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1901_214
Household Members: Name Age
John Swan 54
Margaret Swan 53
William S Deans 17
Nellie Deans 13


Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection.

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THIS YOUR MARGARET ?

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 18:43

REGISTRATION IN SCOTLAND NEVER CAME IN TILL 1855 .YOU MEAN PARISH RECORDS,BUT SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN BAPTISED?

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 18:48

Are both parents living in 1885 when marriage took place?What was fathers job?

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 18:53

What was Margaret's job in the Marriage details ?

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 19:07

Have you got a Marriage on Scotlandspeople for JAMES McCLEAN and MARGARET SUTHERLAND?

Grianaig

Grianaig Report 9 Dec 2009 19:14

The post by June is the Census record that I was referring too, as when Margaret McLean married John Swan they were living at the same addr in Edinburgh.
Had another look at the Marriage Cert and it does add up, so would be same people. John was 31 & Margaret 36 when married. As in the Census in 1881 John was 25 and Margaret 31.
It also looks like where Margaret is somewhat of a pain in the haystack, if I can find her death cert then I maybe find her real mother.
Margarets job in her marriage cert is given what seems to be a Mantlemaker and Johns as a Wood Turner.
Haven't yet found a marriage for James McLean + Margaret Sutherland, but looking at soundex.

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 19:18

I would have expected her married c1875 if born then .What's her age in Marriage Certificate?

Helen

Helen Report 9 Dec 2009 19:19

Possible death:

Margaret McLean / Swan
1925
County: Midlothian
District: St Andrew

Birth year: 1850 ( +/- 5yrs)

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 19:26

So is my 1901 Census the wrong one?

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 19:41


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JAMES MACLEAN Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: CATHERINE SUTHERLAND Family
Marriage: 02 AUG 1844 Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland



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Messages:

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 19:44

Margaret McLean
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Female
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 22 Clarence St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 73
Household schedule number: 37
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1861_125
Household Members: Name Age
James McLean 37
Catherine McLean 33
Margaret McLean 12
James McLean 10
Ann McLean 8
Catherine McLean 5
Archibald McLean 3
Thomas McLean

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 19:54

JAMES MCLEAN Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARET BLYTH Family
Marriage: 07 JUN 1867 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 19:55

Worth looking up that marriage .Used my last unit on Scotlandspeople

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 20:05


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ALEXANDER MC LEAN Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 27 MAR 1873 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES MC LEAN Family
Mother: MARGARET BLYTH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


THIS IS THE ALEXANDER MACLEAN IN THE 1881 CENSUS

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 20:08

WILLIAM ARCHIBALD MC LEAN Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 22 MAY 1870 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES MC LEAN Family
Mother: MARGARET BLYTH


THIS IS WILLIAM MCLEAN FROM THE 1881 CENSUS
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ellieathome

ellieathome Report 9 Dec 2009 20:17

ISABELLA MC LEAN Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 16 JAN 1869 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES MC LEAN Family
Mother: MARGARET BLYTH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C116852 1863 - 1869 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE


Sheet: 00



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Isabella McClean from the 1881 Census