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I've posted a thread with some details relating to Miranda Hall and Lawrence Breedon. Please get in touch: [email protected]
P.s. I hope I'm doing this right; I'm still learning how this site works!

Hello, My name's Laurence Breedon, and my Great uncle was Lawrence Breedon who married a Miranda Hall in Chesterfield in July 1909. If you have managed to find any information at all on Miranda I'd be so pleased to know it. Lawrence died as a result of War injuries in 1920/21, so I assume Mirand remarried and possibly emigrated - I can find no record of her remarriage or death in the B.M.D. records I've looked at. Please reply anyway telling me of your research as it relates to Miranda. Thanks,
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Hello Laurence

First of all you need to edit your post to delete your e-mail address, it's against the board rules! Best to send it in a private message if you want replies by e-mail.

My great aunt Miranda, the subject of this post, was not born in Liverpool. I have her birth certificate and her date of birth was 16/9/1884, daughter of David Smith and Harriett Jennings. I think the Miranda you are looking for was born Miranda Hall in Toxteth Park, 1888.

Dear Pam,
I am Laurence Breedon, grand nephew of Lawrence Breedon who married Miranda Hall in July of 1909 in Chesterfield. I have been trying to find any information on Miranda Hall, because Lawrence died from War effects in 1920/21 and I can find no trace of a remarriage or death of Miranda, so I assume she must have emigrated. If anyone knows anything please get in touch. Miranda was born in Toxtheth Park, Liverpool, but lived in Derby when she knew Lawrence. She appears to have been an interesting personality. Please leave a reply Pam telling me of your own researches , particularly as far as they involve Lawrence and Miranda.
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It is very difficult deciding who one should buy the certificates for. I try to get direct line too as it becomes very expensive.

I think you're right although I was hoping to avoid spending (more) money on this hobby (obsession).
I might just leave it as an either/or as she's not a direct ancestor.

Many Thanks for looking

Pam

I think the only way you will find out now is to buy the marriage certificate.

www.gro.gov.uk for £7 with the reference.

I don't think you are doing anything wrong....they just do not appear to be there unless they are totally mistranscribed.

Sorry - this is her birth

Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
Smith Miranda Derby 7b 545

and I'm pretty sure this is her marriage - but to who? (or should that be whom?)

Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
CHATFIELD Arthur Derby 7b 1189
CHATFIELD Sarah Derby 7b 1189
HALL George William Derby 7b 1189
SMITH Miranda Derby 7b 1189

None of the above seem to be in the 1911 - but as I said at the beginning I've yet to find anyone on the 1911 - I must be doing something wrong :-(

Maybe this is the one on the 1911 census


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Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
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HALL Miranda Toxteth Park 8b 203


Thought I might have cracked it !.

Hello Pam

It's certainly a possibility that by 1911 Miranda had married again but your pm gives Myra's place of birth as Liverpool and my Great Aunt was definitely a Derby girl.
I'll have another look at the deaths although there's no guarantee that she and her husband stayed in Derby after their marriage.

Many Thanks

Pam

Found a Laurence Breedon in chesterfield on 1911 with wife named as Myra (shortened form of Miranda?). They had been married 2 years.

Perhaps this is Miranda ?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
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BREEDON Lawrence Derby 7b 1163
HALL Miranda Derby 7b 1163
PIPES Charles Frederick Derby 7b 1163
SMITH Annie Derby 7b 1163

Thanks for your help K

There is certainly no sign of a Miranda in 1911 who was born in Derby that would match

Good Luck Kay

I looked for a Chatfield family in 1901 but just because Arthur married there doesn't necessarily mean he was living there in 1901 or indeed born there. Unfortunately neither Hall or Chatfield are unusual names.

I also checked deaths between 1906 and 1911 and came up blank.

Perhaps emigration is the only avenue left to explore.

Agreed re the possiblity of either wife - in 1901 Miranda's father worked in the railway works and George William was a Raiway Porter in 1911 but this doesn't show anything.

I would have thought that the two Chatfields were related but cousins marry and there is no sign of an obvious family in 1901. I haven't found the Chatfields in 1911 either

In 1911 William isn't listed as a widower

Can't see a death registration for Miranda Hall between 1908 and 1911.

Thanks K
The dates seem to fit but unfortunately he could just as easily have married Sarah Chatfield. Perhaps if I can locate her then the other groom must be Miranda's husband.
Got to go and play domestic goddess for a bit - back asap

I think this could be George William Hall - he is listed in the image as married 4 years with no children but this has been crossed out as there is no wife with him

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HALL, Herbert Head Widower M 62 1849 Stationary Engine Driver Derbyshire Atlow VIEW
HALL, George William Son Married M 33 1878 Porter Rly Derby VIEW
HALL, Alfred Edward Son Single M 26 1885 Turner Derby VIEW
SPANCER, Mahala Jane Daughter Married F 33 1878 Domestic Derby VIEW
SPENCER, George Archibauld Son M 11 1900 School Derby VIEW
SPENCER, Albert Edward Son M 10 1901 School Derby VIEW
SPENCER, Margaret Daughter F 6 1905 School Philadelphia Resident VIEW
SPENCER, Sidney Randolph Son M 4 1907 School Philadelphia Resident VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20892 Reference:
RG14PN20892 RG78PN1247A RD435 SD2 ED21 SN67

Registration District:
Derby Sub District:
Derby EnumerationDistrict:
21 Parish:
Derby

Address:
43 Bloomfield Street Derby County:
Derbyshire

Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
Smith Miranda Derby 7b 545

Sorry - was a year out with her dob

I too was wondering whether they had emigrated

Is it likely that the 2 Chatfields are brother and sister meaning that Miranda would have had to have married Arthur Chatfield.