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I am desperate, desperate I tell you :))))

I have spent hours trying to find the Hayhurst family on the 1851 Census. I have them in Lancashire in 1841, and in Westmorland in 1861

Details:-

Thomas Hayhurst, b. ca 1795, Sedbergh; d. 1868, registered Kendal.
Elizabeth Hayhurst (nee Askew), b.ca 1800, Lancaster, Lancashire, d. 1875, registered Kendal
Gilbert b. ca 1830, Whittington, Lancashire. d. 1886; never married
Thomas b. ca 1832,Whittington, d. ca 1895; never married
Robert b. 1834, Whittington. Not yet found after 1841
Eliza(beth) b. 1836, Whittington. Not yet found after 1841
Mary Ann b. 1838, Whittington, married Robert Taylor 1859, registered Kendal

Sedbergh is in Yorkshire, but is very very occasionally put in Westmorland


In 1841, the whole family were living at Millet Mill, Whittington, in the Hundred of Lonsdale (South of the Sands), Lancashire. Thomas Sr was a Miller

In 1861, Thomas, Elizabeth, Gilbert and Thomas were living at Mill Bridge, Stainton, Westmorland. Thomas was a Malster and Farmer of 53 acres. Gilbert was a Farmer of 63 acres, employing one labourer, and Thomas was a Farmer of 24 acres.

I have tried everything I know to find them on the 1851 Census

I have tried surname only, with date and without date of birth +/- 5 or 10 years, with and without county of birth

I have tried forename only (for all of them), as above

I have tried forename of each child with forename of father, mother or both.

I have tried year of birth +/- 5 or 10 years living in Whittington or Stainton. I even tried looking in Westmorland with just birth information!!


Can anyone find them in 1851, please???

That is all I am looking for, I have all the other information that I need.

Thomas Sr is OH's 4 x gt uncle, and I'd just like to complete the record.


EDIT:-

I should have said that there are two Gilbert Hayurst's b. ca 1830

Gilbert Hayhurst b. ca 1830, Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmoreland, with parents Christopher and Agnes is not the one. Probably closely related, but not mine.



sylvia

Hi Sylvia

This is the only (very vague ) offering I have (1851).........

The parents are wrong, but Gilbert and Thomas do have a farming connection, plus the areas of 'Whittington' and 'Westmorland'.

HAYHURST, Christopher Head Married M 65 1786 Farmer Of 12 Acer Land & Mill
Whittington
Lancashire VIEW
HAYHURST, Agnes Wife Married F 65 1786
K Lonsdal
Westmorland VIEW
HAYHURST, Christopher Son Unmarried M 31 1820 Miller
K Lonsdal
Westmorland VIEW
* HAYHURST, Gilbert Son Unmarried M 21 1830 Farm Labourer
K Lonsdal
Westmorland VIEW
* HAYHURST, Thomas Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Farm Labourer
K Lonsdal
Westmorland VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2441 Folio:
552 Page:
6

Registration District:
Kendal Sub District:
Kirkby Lonsdale EnumerationDistrict:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address:
Lupton Mill County:
Westmorland

Sorry, 'can do better, must try harder' (lol)!

Alice

Hi Alice

Yes, I have seen that one, thank you


Christopher and Alice are a separate family, the two Gilberts are very close in age, but one was born in Kirkby Lonsdale and the other in Whittington. They are very probably related!


The Hayhursts were a prolific family, and most of them were Millers and Farmers

........ and the early ones were Quakers, who moved regularly between Lancashire and Westmorland, the suggestion is that this was to avoid persecution for their religion.



sylvia

Oh 'eck - didn't think I was on to a winner really........... (:

Can't see anything else in 1851......sorry

Alice

Sorry Alice!


I suppose I really should have put that in the heading


...... will do that right now, in fact!



sylvia

Hi.

Take a look at this link and go right to the bottom of the first page! Is that your Robert?

Nothing spectacular but vaguely interesting!

http://www.whittingtonvillage.fsnet.co.uk/html_pages/history/baines_lancashire.html

Cynthia

WOW

It could well be, in fact probably is ...................... he married Elizabeth Askew in 1829 in Whittington.


and just look who was the malster at West Hall. Is it possible that Andrew Askew was Elizabeth's father????



Thomas' father was called Robert, although there was an uncle Thomas ...... but they seem to have stayed in Yorkshire.


Thank you for finding that.


a bit more information for the record


for those of you wondering what we are on about:-


Whittington Parish
in the
Lonsdale Hundred (South)
1825
WHITTINGTON is a village, township, and parish (without any dependant township), in the Hundred of Lonsdale (South of the Sands) in the Deanery of Kirkby Lonsdale, and in the Archdeaconry of Richmond; 2 miles SSW. of Kirkby Lonsdale. This parish contains 93 houses, occupied by 91 families; of these families 51 are employed chiefly in agriculture, 16 in trade, manufacture or handicraft; and the remaining 24 are either engaged in professional pursuits or unemployed. In 1801 the population amounted to 301, in 1811 to 411 and in 1821 to 461. The rental of the parish, according to the estimate for the county rates, amounts to £5,183. The parish church is situated in the village; the living is a rectory, recently purchased by the Rev. William Carus Willson M.A. who is also the incumbent. The villages in this parish are:-- NEWTON; 3 miles SSW of Kirkby Lonsdale. v2 p667

Directory of Whittington Parish 1825
Askew,Edw. maltster, West Hall
Blackburn Rev. Edward
Greene Thomas, Esq. M.P. for Lancaster, Whittington Hall
Hayhurst Rt. miller, Sellet Hall
Ramsbottom Thos, 'Rose Tree Inn'
Tomlinson Edward, yeoman, Biggin, Westmorland
Wilson Rev. Wm. Carus, M.A.
v2 p667




sylvia

from lancs opc

Marriage: 7 Jun 1829 St Michael the Archangel, Whittington, Lancashire, England
Thomas Hayhurst - Miller of this Parish
Elizabeth Askew - Spinster of this Parish
Witness: Thomas Askew; Joseph Askew
Married by Licence by: Wm Carus Wilson Rector
Register: Marriage 1813 - 1837, Page 16, Entry 47
Source: LDS Film 1796146




No name of father!


sylvia

You owe me ;))

HURHURST, Thomas Head Married M 54 1797 Iron Miller Malster & Farmer Of 110 Acres Emp 2 Lab
Sedbergh
Yorkshire VIEW
HURHURST, Elizabeth Wife Married F 55 1796
Scotterth
Lancashire VIEW
HURHURST, Gilbert Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Farmer's Son
Whittington
Lancashire VIEW
HURHURST, Thomas Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Farmer's Son
Whittington
Lancashire VIEW
HURHURST, Robert Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Farmer's Son
Whittington
Lancashire VIEW
HURHURST, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Farmer's Daur
Whittington
Lancashire VIEW
HURHURST, Mary Anne Daughter F 13 1838 Scholar
Whittington
Lancashire VIEW
CAPSTICK, Mary Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 Scholar Serv
Killingfield
Westmorland VIEW
WILSON, Robert Servant Unmarried M 25 1826 Ag Lab
Hutton
Westmorland VIEW
CARRADUS, Thomas Servant Unmarried M 24 1827 Ag Lab
Mansergh
Westmorland VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2442 Folio:
523 Page:
13

Registration District:
Kendal Sub District:
Milnthorpe EnumerationDistrict:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Cure of Crosscrake

Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address:
Mill Bridge County:

Viv!!!



I certainly owe you big time!!


Now why couldn't I find them last night????????????




sylvia

Yep,,fair play Sylvia,Somerset girl got there first....

You couldnt find it??
Must be your "find her"skills need honing to catch up with Somerset Girl and mine.....;)
Or may be old age catching up??

Back to lessons Sylvia?
x

I'll tell you why I couldn't find them



they're not flippin' well on the 1851 census version on ancestry!!!!



or at least ..... I still can't find them with all of Viv's clues!





sylvia

Ooops


sorry Somersetgirl


I just saw Viv's post as mine appeared,a nd didn't check further up.


so sorry




can I assume that you both found the family on findmypast????





sylvia

Yep,FMP.

Down on Ancestry as Porst! :-))

Chris

Ancestry version??????
My word but what poo..is this.

1851 England Census
about Thomas Carradine
Name: Thomas Carradine
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Mansergh, Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Stainton
Ecclesiastical parish: Crosscrake
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kendal
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Porst 56
Elizabeth Porst 55
Gilbert Porst 20
Thomas Porst 18
Robert Porst 17
Elizabeth Porst 15
Mary Anne Porst 13
Mary Capstick 20
Robert Wilson 25
Thomas Carradine 24

Chris you are quite right


the mind boggles!!!

Name Age
Porst 56
Elizabeth Porst 55
Gilbert Porst 20
Thomas Porst 18
Robert Porst 17
Elizabeth Porst 15
Mary Anne Porst 13
Mary Capstick 20
Robert Wilson 25
Thomas Carradine 24





roflol!!



Thank you so very much my friends!


I would never have found them without your help.



SomersetGirl .... that facility seems to have disappeared in ancestry's latest updating. :((( I had noted them down, but couldn't find anywhere to input them!



sylvia

Do you know

I did try a few minutes ago to find Capstick ...... and it told me that there were no records for anyone call Capstick



Off now to send in name changes!!!





thank you thank you again


sylvia

Well, it's a lovely area so it is, (used to have a caravan near Kirkby Lonsdale) so if you want anything fetching from there, I'm your girl!!

Thanks Cynthia!!




we had an accident in the centre of Kendal on our honeymoon .

....... came to a T junction, OH knew it well (!!!), car in front started to turn, then he stopped, we didn't 'cos OH was looking in the other direction.


Only doing about 5 mph, but still ...........................