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thanks choccy i will definately look into that because hanani is an unusual name so it sounds promising thanks again :0)

Births Sep 1855 (>99%)
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Lower Hanani Maidstone 2a 393

More siblings names to tie in with Rosanna's children;

1861 England Census
about Caroline Pierce
Name: Caroline Pierce
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Strood, Kent, England

Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: East Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Pierce 43
Caroline Pierce 39
Charles J Pierce 13
Mercy C Pierce 11
Joseph W Pierce 6
Edward J Pierce 3
Rosetta Pierce 11 Mo <<<<<<<<< Rosanna
William Riley 38 Lodger
Charlotte Riley 31 Lodger


Dee x

This looks like their marriage.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)
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ASHENDEN Benjamin Maidstone 2a 1056
BARHAM Hanani Maidstone 2a 1056
Barham Hannah Maidstone 2a 1056
PEARCE Rosanna Maidstone 2a 1056
Wells Elizabeth Maidstone 2a 1056



The actual image on the 1891 census where Mercy is staying with her grandmother gives Edward's surname as Pearce and he is described as Caroline's son.

1871 England Census
about Rosanna Pearce
Name: Rosanna Pearce
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Female
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England
Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: West Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 168
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Pearce 50 Born Strood
Joseph Pearce 16
Edward Pearce 14
Rosanna Pearce 10
Thomas Allenden 66 Lodger


Dee x

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)
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ASHENDEN Benjamin Maidstone 2a 1056
BARHAM Hanani Maidstone 2a 1056
Barham Hannah Maidstone 2a 1056
PEARCE Rosanna Maidstone 2a 1056
Wells Elizabeth Maidstone 2a 1056



Dee x

Think Choccy's looks good;

1871 England Census
about Hanani Larner
Name: Hanani Larner
[Hanani Lower]
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Wakeland, Essex, England
Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: West Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Larner 50
Jane Larner 44
Hanani Larner 13
Thomas Larner 10
Robert Larner 8
Lydia Larner 5 <<< daughter named after her???



Dee x

1861 hope this is not the person you are looking for

Name: H B
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England

Civil parish: East Farleigh
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: Loose
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68

1871 just posting this while I have a look around

Name: Thomas Bremen
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil parish: Milton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Gravesend
Sub-registration district: Gravesend
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 176
Household Members: Name Age
John Bremen 60 Cork, Ireland
Ellen Bremen 50 Kilmine, Ireland
Bridget Bremen 17 Rochester
Thomas Bremen 13



Think this lot are called Brien on 1861 so probably rule them out

what about this ?


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Births Sep 1855 (>99%)
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Lower Hanani Maidstone 2a 393


1861 England Census
Name: Jane Lower
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Chas
Gender: Female
Where born: East Peckham, Kent, England

Civil parish: Rochester St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Rochester
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 303
Household Members: Name Age
Chas Lower 34
Jane Lower 28
Hanani Lower 5 ******
Thos Lower 11 Mo




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 477; Folio: 33; Page: 4; GSU roll:
542646.



1851 England Census
Name: Jane Barham
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: East Peckham, Kent, England

Civil parish: Hunton
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: Yalding
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Golding 52
Charlotte Golding 49
Ann Baker Kramard 30
Ann Elizabeth Kramard 8
James Gascoigne 25
Jane Barham 16 ****************




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1616; Folio: 164; Page: 14; GSU roll: 193517.



Not finding a marriage for Jane Barham and Charles Lower

That looks good for 1881 census

Could this be them in 1881???

1881 England Census
about Hosannah Benham
Name: Hosannah Benham
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rosanna
Gender: Male
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England

Civil parish: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: 158 Union St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Oil Mill Labourer

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: East Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hosannah Benham 26
Rosanna Benham 21
Mercy Benham
Thomas Benham 22


Dee xx

Just posting this for ino
1891
Name: Caroline Allender
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Strood, Kent, England

Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: East Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Allender 69
Edward Allender 33
Mercy Barham 10 Maidstone, grand child

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
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Barham Mercy Lydia F Maidstone 2a 684

Is this the same family in 1881??
1881 Ancestry
Name: Rosanna Benham
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Hosannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England
Civil parish: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 158 Union St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: East Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Hosannah Benham 26
Rosanna Benham 21
Mercy Benham
Thomas Benham 22
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 931; Folio: 35; Page: 18

Maureen

Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
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BARHAM Daisy Caroline Maidstone 2a 707

Have you found his marriage to Rose /Rosanna? If so what was his father's name and occupation?

1901 England Census
about Daisy Barham
Name: Daisy Barham
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England

Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 277
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Alender 79 Born Strood, Kent
Daisy Barham 18

also i noticed he is not mentioned before these dates? :0)

Hi is this the family in 1891
1891 census

Name Honami Barham
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Bricklayer's Labourer
Address 158 Union St
District Maidstone, East Maidstone
Parish
Administrative County Kent
Birth Place Maidstone
Birth County Kent
in house
honami head 38
rosanne wife 31
daisy 7
thomas 4
edward 2

1901 census

Address 170 Union St
Civil Parish Maidstone
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Holy Trinity
Parliamentary Borough or Division Maidstone
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Maidstone
Administrative County Kent
Householder 1
Name Edward Barham
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Kent Maidstone
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Hannai Barham
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 45
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Bricklayers Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born Kent Maidstone
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Rose Barham
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 41
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Kent Maidstone
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Thomas Barham
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Bakers
Employment Status
Where Born Kent Maidstone
Language
Infirmity

ahh okay thanks for that so is it possible to send for a birth certificate without a date? :0)