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btw, for info, this William in 1841:

Name: William Deakin
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Uttoxeter


has been mistranscribed by Ancestry - he is really shown as 15, as is the Catherine Johnson in the household. He is an ag lab.


Possibly worth a look in 1841:

Name: William Deabin - Deakin, obviously
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Stone


male servant on farm of William Woolley.

I think George and Ann and their sons George and William look very promising indeed.

I've pondered every Geo* in Uttoxeter in 1841, and in/born in Uttoxeter in 1851, to just no avail. If anything does spring up, I'll be sure to add it!

Would you agree that George and Ann look promising as were in Uttoxeter. There have only been 4 boys born descended from George and they were called George or William George or George William. Its a big conundrum isnt ti. Thanks again Nan

Thanks Janey. Yes thats the one you have printed and a couple other children were the ones that were proven to be incorrect as the vicar has them in his family and it wasnt my George. He has documents which go way back and is publishing his work on the Deakins who welcomed his family into Staffordshire with their religion. They lent their houses as meeting places for services. So yes he did prove it to be incorrect. The records office told me he could have been baptised in nearby places eg Leigh but because every census says Uttoxeter it was they who advised I look there. I have been doing this tree for 3 yrs now and this is the only person I am having probs with. The Scottish ancestry is terrific as you get parents names on deaths and marriage dates of parents on the birth cert of their child. I have even now got the baptisms and marriages for Coll Atgyllshire from 1721 to 1855 I think it is. So this is really frustrating, especially when you cant figure out in your head where to go next. You are all being so kind and thankyou so much. Nan

Well if George and Ann are the parents, this looks like their marriage!


GEORGE DAKEN
Spouse: ANN JACKSON
Marriage: 16 OCT 1817 Uttoxeter, Stafford, England
Batch No.: M047951


And this could be the father's birth ...

GEORGE DAKEN
Christening: 12 JUN 1785 Uttoxeter, Stafford, England
Father: WILLIAM DAKEN
Mother: HANNAH
Batch No.: C047951


Just for future ref, for now.

Don't be too stuck on "born in Uttoxeter". People often named the place where they were living as their place of birth, for instance.

Okay, just so we're clear on Thomas and Phoebe -- these are their children in the IGI:


Father: Thomas Deakin, Mother: Phoebe

1. PEGGY DEAKIN
Gender: Female Christening: 27 DEC 1812 Biddulph, Stafford, England

2. WILLIAM DEAKIN
Gender: Male Christening: 13 JUN 1819 Uttoxeter, Stafford, England

3. THOMAS DEAKIN
Gender: Male Christening: 20 DEC 1812 Kingston, Stafford, England

4. GEORGE DEAKIN
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JAN 1825 Kingston, Stafford, England

5. ELLEN DEAKIN
Gender: Female Christening: 08 APR 1810 Kingston, Stafford, England

6. JOHN DEAKIN -
Gender: Male Christening: 10 NOV 1822 Kingston, Stafford, England

I did look at the Derby ones but each census I have states born in Uttoxeter. I think it possible I may never find him but so much want to as a legacy for the kids. The only thing I found at records office was the William & George born to George & Ann. I think the 1851 was jumping because he had a sister Jane and the daughter he took in was Jane. Sentimenatla though I suppose. Hitting reply button again

This is NOT your George. I'm putting it here to show that it isn't. ;)

Marriages Jun 1842
COXON Arabella Ashborne 19 275
DAKIN George Ashborne 19 275

? (Snelston is in Ashborne district)


1851

Name: George Deakin
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Arabella
Where born: Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Uttoxeter

George Deakin 38
Arabella Deakin 36 - born Snelston, Derbyshire, c1815
Ann Deakin 5
Joseph Deakin 2


Deaths Jun 1883
DAKIN Arabella 68 Stoke T. 6b 179

Age 68 = born c1815



AAAaaargh. No. Not them.


1881

Name: George Dakin
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Arabella
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Occupation: Cow Keeper (Milk)

Civil parish: Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire



But I am going to leave them here because we have now ruled them out and it's good to keep track of that.

The child who registered his death was Jane who appears as a Deakin on censuses. Her name was actually Snape and the last born of my great great gran to her 1st husband. who was a George Snape. I have the brth certs. She and George Deakin didnt marry but went on to have their own children. So having no marriage cert for Deakin & Snape to obtain a father's name for him. Pressing enter again.

From what I understood on the 1851 census Thomas George's father was born in Stowe. The Thomas with Phoebe who it isnt was born in Gratwich and married Phoebe in Uttoxeter. So understandable that wrong one was used prior to this communication in an historical literary piece by the vicar proved it to be incorrect. He wasnt really too pleased that a relative had used it without checking first which is understandable Will bit reply again Nannymac

Now here is an intresting one in 1861.


Name: George Dakin
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Visitor
> Where born: Derby, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Uttoxeter
County/Island: Staffordshire

Thomas Dakin 34 - farmer 100 acres, born Wyaston? Derbyshire
Sarah Dakin 32
Sarah Ann Dakin 13
Elizabeth Dakin 10
Edward Dakin 8
John Dakin 14 Mo
Elizabeth Dakin 75 - mother of Thomas
>> George Dakin 47 >> farm labourer, married
Joseph Dakin 12 - visitor - son of farm labourer


?

That George and Caroline in 1841 -- looks like they were a married couple. This is them in 1851:


Name: George Daken
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline
Where born: Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Uttoxeter

George Daken 32
Caroline D 30
Caroline Bertha Daker 5


(thanks to Ancestry - they actually all say DAKEN.) That George is a Printer & Bookbinder Journeyman, so we can rule him out?


... Ye gods and little fishies, in 1861 Ancestry has them as BAKEN. It's clearly Daken, and he is a Printer Compositor and still with Caroline.

Ellen, I posted those two baptisms from the IGI up above. And age at death is not *necessarily* wrong, if the person themself knew their date of birth and the info was passed to a family member. (Civil registration didn't even mean that people, or their families, knew their own date of birth!)


Christine (nannymac), I see you've figured out "Reply". ;)

But I'm confused ...

"I havent a marriage cert for him but as he was an agr lab feel inclined towards the 1851 census one."

The 1851 George *is* the son of Thomas.


"Its a strong feeling to go with him its just his death cert states 75 which would be wrong but the person who informed the death states daughter but she was in fact the daughter of Mary and he reared her as his own so age could be definately wrong as Mary began to suffer with dementure."

We need some names here. ;) Which child was the daughter of Mary? What was Mary's name, and who was she married to?

You take your time. There's no rush at all. Any time you add to your thread, it will pop up to the top of the list when any of us who have posted here click on our "My threads" link and we'll see there's an addition, whether it is today or next week or next year.

I know about running out of time for the train - back in 1994 my mum and I visited England (from Canada) and were buried in old books at the library in Worksop, and had to beg a whirlwind ride to the station from one of the librarians so as not to miss our train back to where we were staying in Wellingborough. ;)

(Just one request - hit that "Enter" key twice occasionally to space out your thoughts so they're not all in one long paragraph. It's a whole lot easier to follow that way.)

Age at death will likely be wrong as before civil Registration

I told you all I was a problem Have sent you all individual messages instead od seeing this. Thanks again. It isnt the one from Gratwich as that has been proven by a vicar whose family that one is. I havent a marriage cert for him but as he was an agr lab feel inclined towards the 1851 census one. He was single then and before the next census something going on between my great great gran. She has left her husband by 1861 although cant find George on the any census before 1871 only those you mentioned. The aged fits with later censuses. Its just the age on his death cert has thrown me and wasnt too confifent after finding nothing at records office. I did run out of time for the train though aswell. Thankyou all so much and sorry I didnt realise I could reply this way. A very grateful nannymac.

IGI
William Deakin Chrs.16.11.1817
Father George
Mother Ann

IGI
George Deakin Chrs.10.2.1819 Uttoxter
Father George
Mother Ann

Is it possible that George and Caroline in the 1841 are brother and sister children of William and Ann Deakin. Dates are a little out but Leigh is just outside of Uttoxeter.

1. CAROLINE DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 JUL 1823 Leigh, Stafford, England

2. GEORGE DEAKIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 FEB 1826 Leigh, Stafford, England

EDIT: Looks like this one married Sarah Mills in 1854 so not the correct one

Eeek. Please do sort them out for us!


1861 in Stoke upon Trent

George Deakin 35 - bricklayer's labourer
Emily Deakin 32
William Deakin 12
Mary Deakin 8
+ William Deakin, bricklayer's labourer, lodging next door


1871 in Stoke upon Trent

George Meakin 48 - carter
Mary Meakin 37
Jane Meakin 9
Emma Meakin 7
Alice Meakin 4


What I'm trying to get at is -- if he had a previous marriage, and it was registered, the certificate might give a father's name!