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Hi Londonbelle,

Yes - this does indeed mean something to me - thank you so much!!

Doris is my grandmother!!!! They didnt marry until 1903 so I have not been able to find them as a family and so was not sure of which George Butler to follow - now I have the 'evidence' I need to try to trace his family - now I know that it IS him in the 1891 and 1881 census'

Thank you so much for your help!

Elaine x

Well done you!!
Jan

Bingo! .......found them in the 1911 census (Mary had been transcribed as Maryy)

BUTLER, GEORGE HEAD MARRIED M 29 COAL MINER HEWER HUCKNALL TORKARD NOTTS
BUTLER, MARYY ELIZBERTH WIFE MARRIED 8 F 30 LANGLEY MILL DERBYSHIRE
BUTLER, DORRIS DAUGHTER F 10 BASFORD NOTTS

Married 8 years
Address: 12 CHAPEL STREET NEW EASTWOOD NOTTINGHAMSHIRE


Looks like we were looking at the right George!

Presumably, Dorris means something to you?

Hi to all who replied.

I am going to bite the bullet and order the cert for the birth Janet kindly found for me - it has to be the correct one as Hucknall Torkard was in the Basford registration district - and this is the only Basford birth I can find for George between 1880 and 1883. I will let you know of the outcome.

I have found what I think to be George's mother and father on the 1881 census also [thank you again for those who found the family in the 1891 census for me!] - and have looked at possible marriages for a William Butler to an Emma on FreeBMD. Assuming that they didnt marry in a register office [I am not sure when they came into existence?] I can check out the 6 marriages I have found and see if addresses give me any clues as to whether they can be the correct one or not. I have looked for marriages between 1870-1883 because I found this couple in the 1881 census with another younger child who I think must have sadly died as he doesnt appear in the 1891 census.

Have I missed/forgotten anything?

Elaine

Hi Wayne/Tracy,

Oh dear - none of these seem to be the correct person - but thank you SO much for looking for me! It is very much appreciated.

Mary Elizabeth was also 22 yrs old on her marriage cert - so I assume that she too was born about 1880/81

Thank you for looking however. If you cant find it I dont hold out much hope for me.

I think that I will look at all this info again tomorrow with fresh eyes and brain!!!

Thank you to all who have replied.

Elaine x

Hi Janet,

I will look into the birth you have found. That may give me the clues I am looking for to take me backwards in time.

Thanks for appreciating what I am trying to do - I know that it sounds weird checking info that has already been given to you - but I need to know that it is correct.

Thank you.

Elaine

Londonbelle,

That is the correct family you have found for my g.grandmother. Maybe that is correct and my cousin in confused as to who was born in Heanor!!!

Her father Edwin Chester was born without a father and apparently made his father's name up! - as Chester Hull. His step-father was Thomas Betts.

Elaine

A possible birth?

Births Jun 1882
Butler George Basford 7b 202

Jan

These are all the Mary Elizabeth Butler's with a George living with them on the 1911 census

HOUSEHOLD BUTLER MARY ELIZABETH F 1906 5 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD BUTLER MARY ELIZABETH F 1897 14 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD BUTLER MARY ELIZABETH F 1876 35 Southwell Nottinghamshire
HOUSEHOLD BUTLER MARY ELIZABETH F 1861 50 Nottingham Nottinghamshire

All these were Nottingham, none for Derbyshire.

...and possibly your George... (not nessesarily in any of the above households!)

HOUSEHOLD BUTLER GEORGE M 1882 29 Mansfield Nottinghamshire


Tracey x

Elaine, I totally agree with you, and I wouldn't advise going with that family at all. It's just so tricky isn't it? I've had relatives with incorrect fathers' names and occupations, also fathers who are completely made up! And my great-grandfather helpfully dropped his 1st name when he married just to top it all!
In passing, have you found them in 1911? Now and then there is a godsend of a clue in a visiting relative, or more accurate info provided as of course in 1911 people filled in the forms themselves.
Jan

If this is the correct entry for your gt grandmother Mary E Hull in the 1891 census..... perhaps it was she that was born in Heanor rather than George?

Name: Mary E Hull
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edwin C
Mother's Name: Elizabetha
Gender: Female
Where born: Heanor, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Heanor
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Heanor
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Ilkeston

Edwin C Hull 38
Elizabetha Hull 32
William Hull 13
Mary E Hull 10
Arthur Hull 8
Herbert Hull 6
Frank Hull 4
Lucy Hull 2
Tom Hull 1/12
John Henry Mault 15

No - I havent. I will do that when I next visit the library - as I can get access for free.

Thanks Londonbelle - maybe that is the next step I need to take. I hope that it will be sucessful!!! May I come back to you all if I have no luck?

Thank you to all of you for your help. I will let you know if I find them on the 1911 census!!

Many thanks.

Elaine

Have your found George & Mary Elizabeth in the 1911 census? As that could help to find out where George was born.

I dont know where she has the information from, Janet. And call me finicky if you like, but I need to have evidence! Which is why I am trying to check out the information she has given me.

I was hoping that I could just find something more concrete to work with - so I dont go off on a wild goose chase. I just want to know, before I add them to my family tree that the info is correct - I am sure that you know what I mean?

Do you think I should pursue the family that you and Londonbelle have kindly found for me?

Elaine

Just to be clear - is your only evidence for the birthplace the opinion of your cousin? The family above might be wrong, but not for that reason. Why is your cousin of this opinion?
I think Heanor came under Derbyshire, looking at other entries on census.
Jan

Oh - and they married at the register office in Basford [counties recorded as] Notts/Derbys

No - Londonbelle - William not listed as deceased. Residence at time of marriage for both bride and groom was Daykin's Row, Eastwood

Elaine

Hi Janet,

The witnesses names mean nothing to me - Henry Hemstock and Mary Thompson.

I am not aware whether my cousin has the copy of his death cert or not but she reckons that George died on 16/4/1928 in Ilkeston Derbys [I think then still Notts]

Elaine

On the marriage certificate was his father, William, listed as deceased? Who were the witnesses on the cert?

Hi Heather,

I havent yet searched for a birth as I was not sure that you could find out parents - and William a coalminer is the only clue I have! I have searched on family search - and I dont know whether it is the way I search, but I couldnt find anything at all - not even the 1881 census.

Hi Londonbelle,

I found that one but dismissed it because of Hucknall being the place of birth. My cousin seems to be of the opinion that he was born in Heanor. I live in Notts and although they are both within north notts I believe that there is 10-15 miles between Hucknall and Heanor!

Elaine