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I am trying to track down details of my Grand Fathers first marriage. He was born Lancelot William Mills in Snderland in 1901. I believe he married a Theresa Bellerby in approz 1920/1921. He nrxt appears to have married again without getting divorced in Amble Northumberland as James William Semore. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

We only found when he went to apply for a passport and there was no birth record. So his password said James William Seymour also known as Lancelot William Mills. He was very secretive about his first marriage

assume you know he had three children from his first marriage?

I know nothing. Some details would be greatly appreciated as would details if Theresa Bellerby remarried. My daughter and I have only just started tracking him down. We know nothing apart from the information you have supplied us. Anything else would be greatly appreciated

That is most unfair leaving me hanging.

I am brand new to this - LOL

Sorry for my impatience

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All the best
barbara

I've sent you a personal message too!

Have you a copy of his birth certificate, which might offer some sort of explanation as to surnames?


Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
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MILLS Lancelot William Sunderland 10a 661

1911 census - he appears to be in an 'Institution' with children of a similar age - possibly a school? You will need credits to view.


INSTITUTION MILLS WILLIAM LANCELOT M 1902 9 Sunderland Durham

1911 Census Institution Transcript

Name: Relationship: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
PICKERING, JOHN JOSEPH SCHOLAR SINGLE M 12 SCHOOL SOUTH SHIELDS DURHAM
GOURLEY, EDWARD TEMPERLEY SCHOLAR M 12 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
DEWBRY, RALPH SCHOLAR M 12 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
LOWES, BENJAMIN TIPER SCHOLAR M 12 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
NASH, WILLIAM NOAH SCHOLAR M 12 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
SELLARS, THOMAS COCKEREL SCHOLAR M 12 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
THOMPSON, WILLIAM SCHOLAR M 12 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
CRAIG, JOHN ROBERT SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL STOCKTON-DURHAM
WATERSTREET, HENRY SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
ROBINSON, GEORGE WILLIAM SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
CARR, NORMAN ALFRED SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
REECE, WILLIAM SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
SALMON, ROBERT HENRY SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
BREWES, JOSEPH SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
THOBURN, EDWARD COOPER SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
CURTIS, JOHN REDPATH SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
TOLLEFSON, THOMAS ALEXANDER SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SOUTH SHIELDS DURHAM
DEANS, ROBERT FREDERICK SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
MCARDLE, BERNARD SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
MURRAY, JOHN WILLIAM SCHOLAR M 11 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
POLEMES, CONSTANTINE SCHOLAR M 10 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
THOBURN, JAMES COOPER SCHOLAR M 10 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
CASSELS, RONALD SCHOLAR M 10 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
MORDEY, JAMES SCHOLAR M 9 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
RUSTTON, HERBERT ARNOLD SCHOLAR M 9 SCHOOL HULL YORKSHIRE
THOMAS WILLIAM, BARROW M 9 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
>>>>>>>>>>MILLS, WILLIAM LANCELOT BARROW M 9 SCHOOL GRENDON DURHAM
CARR, WILLIAM EDWARD BARROW M 9 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
COOK, ROBERT BARROW M 9 SCHOOL SUNDERLAND DURHAM
CHAMBERS, CHARLES ROWE SCHOLAR M 9 SUNDERLAND DURHAM


MILLS WILLIAM LANCELOT (RG14PN30206 RD555 SD2 ED25 SN9999)
Institution name
Address THE ORPHAN ASYLUM SUNDERLAND County Durham
District Sunderland Subdistrict Sunderland East
Enumeration District 25 Parish

Excuse me if I'm just being thick.............but most of the boys are scholars and 4 are down as barrow......what does Barrow mean?

Wow - thanks to all.

One of the stories that has been handed down is that my GF's mother fell out with her husband and gave my GF to his father to look after because she went off with another man. He was seemingly brought up in a Seamans mission because his father was a sailor. Another interesting thread to pursue. I have ordered his birth certificate so maybe then I can track down his mother and father

Hi Francis

There is a piece about the orphanage which makes good reading on

www.wearsideonline.com/sunderland_orphanage.html

Moody Blue, I wonder if --on the original scan--it says Boarder and not Barrow as transcibed ! Just a thought not a certainty.
All the best
Barbara

I have now got a copy of Lancelots birth certificate and am now want to track his parents and siblings down

Father William Mills born in Marlerybone in 1865
Mother Alice Duff born in West Hartlepool in 1875

PS

What are the best sites to use ?

Francis, how do you know from the birth cert when and where his parents' were born. That info isn't on English birth cert.

You can use the freebmd site to find his parents' marriage, the cert should give their ages, and Ancestry to find them on the census

I got that from the 1901 census. But from the information on the census I can not track either of the parents. Sorry

Is this the census you found:
1901 England Census
about William Mills
Name: William Mills
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth Without
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishopwearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 260
Household Members: Name Age
William Mills 36 - Horse and cart man
Alice Mills 26
Beatrice Elizabeth Mills 5
Jane Duft 22

I cannot find a marriage for a William Mills to an Alice Duff. Is there any indication on the birth cert that she may have been married before? It would be something like Alice Mills fomerly Duff late Smith.

No it just gives the name Alice Duff.

This is the only marriage I can find on freebmd (and confirmed on Sunderland bmd site (http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/pages/registrars/) for a William Mills married to and Alice:

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)

Fenwick Alice Sunderland 10a 802
MILLS William Sunderland 10a 802