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Hi Everyone, trying to find more info of my Grandfather Henry South born 1885 Poplar London ,On he's marriage certificate to Norah short nee Hayes, it state's his father as Thomas South , and that's all i've got.
thank's Barbara

Found a Henry South in Poplar 1891 census stated as nephew. What does it say for father's occupation on marriage certificate?

Hello Barbara, Father is Dock labourer, lived in no 10 Burke street, canning town London , in 1919 .
Thank you for your reply
Barbara

hi jean
this could be a possible but think mother may have been too old for his birth in 1885

1881 England Census
about Thomas South
Name: Thomas South
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Gale St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Dock Laborer

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas South 50
Eliza South 49
Isaac South 26
Joshua South 21
Thomas Dymer 7
Frederick Dymer 5

Unable to find birth of Henry South on Freebmd from 1883 - 1887 in Poplar. can find:-

Dec 1885 South William Poplar 1c 599
Dec 1885 South Thomas Poplar 1c 608 >> perhaps he used Henry later on.
Dec 1883 SOUTH Sidney Samuel Poplar 1c 566
Sep 1885 South Archibald Frederick Poplar 1c 556

Thank's ,There is a Henry born 1881, that's the one i thought was mine but when i got the marriage certificate it showed his age as 34 .
thank you again
Barbara

jean
can you give us the names of the witnesses to the marriage of henry & norah maybe there could be a clue there as sometimes the witnesses were either siblings or some kind of relative to the people who married
jacky

Wittness 1 is L Milles .or Mills
Wittness 2 is M Mahoney .
Wedding took place in west ham register office10 July 1919,
Henry is a House decorater.
thank you .
Barbara

oops first of all barbara sorry for not getting your name right (jean) my mistake
well i have tried to see if i can find the witnesses but without the first names instead of the initial its proving too hard as there are lots of them so sorry hun but good luck

jacky

Have you tried looking for him on 1911.
Poss?

INSTITUTION SOUTH HENRY M 1883 28 Whitechapel London

I wonder if he lied about his age on the marriage - perhaps Nora was a bit younger than him? Although she had been married previously it was only 2 years before.

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1917 (>99%)
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HAYES Norah Short Poplar 1c 632
Short George Hayes Poplar 1c 632



Wonder if her first husband died in the war.

Name: George Clarke Short
Birth Place: Tottenham
Residence: Leyton
Death Date: 8 Dec 1917
Enlistment Location: Leyton
Rank: Private
Regiment: London Regiment
Battalion: 13th (County of London) Battalion (Princess Louises Kensington Battalion).
Number: 491899
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Aldershot

Hi , Not to worry ,(I've been called worst) ,Thank you for taking the time to try and help me.
best regards
Barbara

How do you know his father's address in 1919? Or was that Henry's address - he may not have been still living with his parents at 34 years old. Had he been married before too?

I think he may have lied about his age, on the marriage certifate, here's the mark of Henry as a X ,
I Foung another marriage of a Henry South to Elisabeth Lynch and that also as a X as the mark of Henry, so could this be my Henry , What do you think ?
I dId know that Norah hadbeen married before , but did'nt know what had happed to George Short,so thank you very much for all your help.
best regard's Barbara

What was Henrys occupation on the marriage to Elizabeth Lynch?
And witnesses names and his fathers name and occupation?

This one is a flower seller/hawker on this census

1901 England Census
about Henry South
Name: Henry South
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bow, London, England

Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Latimer Road
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 451
Household Members: Name Age
Henry South 20
Elizabeth South 20


The marriage ref

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
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Lynch Elizabeth Kensington 1a 432
South Henry Kensington 1a 432

Heres that same Henry from 1901 ,
in 1911 now married to Emily.

SOUTH, HENRY HEAD MARRIED M 30 HAWKER FLOWERS BOW E
SOUTH, EMILY WIFE MARRIED 4 F 27 HORSHAM SUSSEX
SOUTH, LOUISA DAUGHTER F 11 SCHOOL NOTTING HILL W
SOUTH, HARRY SON M 8 SCHOOL STRATFORD E
MEADS, PHILIP VISITOR M 9 SCHOOL PENGE S E
MEADS, VICTOR VISITOR SINGLE M 15 HAWKER CROYDON SURREY
MEADS, PHILIP JAMES VISITOR WIDOWER M 42 HAWKER TANBRIDGE WELTS KENT

Pm from barbara,

Please may we stick with all info on here so others may see also.
Thanks Barbara
viv


Hi Vivienne,
On the Marriage to Elizabeth Lynch, it states Henry as a Labouer and Father the same, can't make out the name of the Father on the form,
Wittness 1 Mary Sullivan
Wittness 2 Louisa Wilkinson.
Best regards
Barbara

That's got to be him , my Dad told me he was a flower seller, so then he went on to marry Norah, I cant belive how much infomation you have found. so he must have lied about his age .
I thank you once again
Barbara

I can not find a death for Elizabeth South.
Nor can I find a marriage to Emily in the right area /timescale.
Or a death for Emily
It will need more searching for that.

So did he have a daughter called Louisa and son Harry?