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In 1871, there's a son called William Calvert too.

Let us know what the birth cert. says.

Rose

Portland Rose
Many thanks for the information as it was new to me. I will certainly follow that up as well.

Best wishes Margaret

Sylvia (in Canada)
Many thanks for the help as it now gives me the next step.
Best wishes, Margaret

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Gail

Next door to the Walkers in 1881 is a William Calvert.

Something to think about.

Rose

I have my mothers birth cert which was a short one. It was only after research I found her parents didnt marry till she was 14 months old.

I then found mum registered under her mothers name and under her fathers surname. Both had the same registration number

Margaret

you must have what is known as the short form of certificate, which has a limited amount of information on it.


The copy of the original, which you can buy for £7, will show the father's name, the mother's name and her maiden name, where the baby was born and where they lived.


Get the information on your father's birth registration from www.freebmd.org ... this is a free site


this is what you should find:-

Births Jun 1908 (>99%)

Middlemas Thomas Simpson Chester le S. 10a 702a



This means that his birth was registered in the June quarter of 1908, and the set of 2 numbers after Chester le S are the GRO reference numbers


Go to www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Follow the instructions for buying certificates.

Answer YES when asked if you ahve the GRO reference numbers


Each certificate costs £7



sylvia

Many thanks to all who have offered help tonight. Its great to know that so many people are willing to get involved.
Goodnight all.
Best wishes, Margaret

Hi again,Choccy.
Many thanks for the 1871 info. This is where we get into problems. Her marriage cert (1905) gives her father as William Calver Wilson, profession butler, deceased. It looks as if she may have been brought up by her grandmother.
I didn't realise that birth certificates from this time gave the mother's name as my father's for 1908 only gives name,DOB, entry , date of registrationand distirict. Is this then, not a full cert?
Regards, Margaret

this is the family Alice was with in 1891. Her mother is possibly Margaret or Isabella.


1871 England Census
Name: Mary Wilson
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Heworth, Durham, England
Civil parish: Birtley
Ecclesiastical parish: Birtley
Town: Birtley
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image
Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub-registration district: Harraton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members: Name Age
William Wilson 38
Mary Wilson 37
Margaret Wilson 13
Isabela Wilson 11
John Wilson 9
Mary Jane Wilson 3
Nork Gibson Wilson 6
Willm Thos Wilson 1


If you send for Alice's birth certificate you will get her mother's name.

To Choccy.
Many thanks for the info, it helps to cross check what I have found. I know who her father is from the marriage certificate but her mother is a complete mystery.
I actually met her brother, gt Uncle Willy and I went to his wife's funeral when I was about 3.

Regards, Margaret

possibly Alice in 1891

1891 England Census
Name: Alice Wilson
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Scarborough, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Birtley
Ecclesiastical parish: St John The Evangelist
Town: Birtley
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub-registration district: Harraton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Wilson 57
Noole Wilson 26
William Wilson 21
Frederick Wilson 19
Harriet Wilson 15
*******************Alice Wilson 11
William Wilson 5

1881 England Census
Name: Alice C. Wilson
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Gender: Female
Where born: Scarboro, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Scarborough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 34 James Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Infant

Registration district: Scarborough
Sub-registration district: Scarborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Barbara Walker 56
Barbara Walker 13
******************Alice C. Wilson 1

Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
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WILSON Alice Calver Scarbro' 9d 357

Mrs Grumpy.
Dear Jill, thanks for your message. We are lucky that my sister actually has Dad's birth cert. We have found with others the difficulties of getting correct dates.
I never cease to be amazed by the kind help of people like yourself.
Regards, Margaret

To Glitter Baby.
Many thanks Maureen, this checks out so hopefully I can continue the search for her parents. Her mother is very elusive.
Unfortunately Alice died in Jan 1920 when my father was only 11. All who had any knowledge of her are long dead.
Best wishes, Margaret

You have to work out what time of year your father was born against the date of the census. Can't remember offhand teh date of the 1911 but it would be around the end of March/beginning of April. They would put his age down. When it's transcribed they just knock that number of years off 1911 to give an estimated year of birth.

Jill

Thanks very much Choccy. Interestingly my father's birth(Thomas Simpson) was actually in 1908 but it must be the sanme family as his sister's name and year are correct .

MIDDLEMAS, GEORGE HALL
HEAD MARRIED 36 COAL MINER HEWER
GILEGATE MOOR DURHAM

MIDDLEMAS, ALICE CALVER WIFE
MARRIED 5 YEARS F 31
SCARBORO YORKS

MIDDLEMAS, THOMAS SIMPSON SON M 2 HANUTON PARISH DURHAM

MIDDLEMAS, MARY WILSON DAUGHTER F 11 MONTHS HARRATON PARISH DURHAM

24 EVE HILL PELTON S O

Hi Maureen, that would be great as I may then be able to cross check what I have.

Thanks, Margaret