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Not sure if it the correct thred Sally. I have 2 Elizabeth Sanders in my tree, 1 born on 1857 but it can't be her as she died in childhood in 1867. The other was born in 1865 so this one could be too young? If you think there may be a connection I can send more information.

Caroline

Hi Sally
I know this family. My wife is a Sanders descended from the Sanders of Hatfield, Herts.
John Sanders b 1821 married Fanny Mabbray b 1821 Ireland.
John was a Musician in the Horse Guards based in Windsor. The children shown in the 1861 Census are correct.
If you want any further info please contact me.
Regards
Martin

Hi Dea,

It is amazing how much info i get about all sorts, we are so used to having everything "just so" now, that we forget things were not like that years ago.

The people on GR have been brill with their help on many names.

Have a good weekend

Regards
Sallyx

Hi,

I would not discount what has already been found - just because it did not say 'deceased' on marriage cert does not necessarily mean that the father was not dead !!

This is VERY comnmon

Dea x

Hi Dee,

That's it - no number on either !!!!! ......................................

Sallyx

What number Alvin Street?


Dee x

I can't see Elizabeth living close to the witnesses in 1871, Hannah and Daniel live 2 doors away from eachother though.

Was hoping that Hannah and Elizabeth were friends living close to eachother!!!

I'll keep digging.


Dee x

Hi Dee,
It's the same as each other - Alvin Street - Gloucester. - I bet there will be a birth very soon after - i haven't got that far yet !!!!!
Sallyx

Hi Sally,

on the marriage cert is the address they gave the same place as eachother or different???


Dee x

Hi Dee,

That's brill info - i love finding who the witnesses are and so to find they married later in the year - amazing find - you are clever.
(Elizabeth married 26th June 1875.)
Sallyx

Hi Sally,


Witnesses;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
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BADHAM Hannah Gloucester 6a 495 <<<<<<<<<<
ELLIOTT Ann Gloucester 6a 495
LEWIS James Gloucester 6a 495
Roe Daniel Gloucester 6a 495 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



1881 England Census
about Daniel Roe
Name: Daniel Roe
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Gloucester St John Baptist
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: 17 Brothers Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Policeman In Reserve Militia

Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: St John The Baptist
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Roe 27
Hannah Roe 25
Emily Roe 5
Henry W. Roe 3
Florence L. Roe 1
Clara Gardner 21 <<<<<<<<<<<< boarder.



Not much help...............



Dee x

Hi,

I am at my house now and have the wedding cert in front of me !!!!
Elizabeth Sanders - Spinster - 18 - no job - i was wrong about the match factory - it was her daughter Fanny who worked there. Oops !!!! Father John Sanders - Bugle Major - NOT dead.
Daniel Roe and Hannah Badham(s) ? witnesses.
Parish of Saint Mark Gloucester.
Thanks
Sally

HELLO

MEL
JACKY
DENISE
DEA

THANKS TO ALL !!!!!
Please dont take info off as i cant print where i am.
I am going to my house soon so will print off then.
That is the correct one i know - i am doing this for my friend - her Auntie is over from America so will be SO pleased.
Elizabeth did work in the Match Factory - i had two marriage certs yest and i couldnt remember which bride worked there.
Have a good day all of you.
Sally

possible death for elizabeth,s father john


Deaths Mar 1866 (>99%)
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Sanders John aged 45 Gloucester 6a 210

if we have right family elizabeths mother fanny is a boarder on the same page as elizabeth & her husband in 1881

1881 England Census
about Fanny Sanders
Name: Fanny Sanders
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Gloucester St John Baptist
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Columbia St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Washerwoman

Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: St John The Baptist
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Atkins 70
Fanny Sanders 60


fanny is living at 2 & elizabeth & james bayliss are at num 12

this could be elizabeth in the 1871 census but only a possibility but it states her mother fanny was a widow does it say her father had died by the time she married
or does it give elizabeths occupation on the marriage cert



1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Saunders
Name: Elizabeth Saunders
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Kingsholme St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Kingsholme St Mary
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 226
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Saunders 50
Charles Saunders 16
Elizabeth Saunders 14 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> match box maker
Ellen Saunders 12
Alice Saunders 3

Hi DEE !

Looks like you've 'gottem!!'

DEA x

Hi Sally,


Just for ref;

1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Baylis
Name: Elizabeth Baylis
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Gloucester St John Baptist
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: 12 Columbia St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: St John The Baptist
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Baylis 25 <<<<<<<<<< plasterer
Elizabeth Baylis 25
William Baylis 5
Fanny Baylis 3
Elizabeth Alice Baylis
Henry Meadows 32
Jane Meadows 27
Harry Meadows 6
Jesse Meadows 5
Ernest Meadows 3
Arthur Meadows


The Meadows family are lodgers.


Waves at DEA !!!



Dee x

hi sally this could be a possibel for elizabeth NOTE FATHERS OCCUPATION


1861 England Census
about Elizabeth Sanders
Name: Elizabeth Sanders
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Female
Where born: Brompton, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regents Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
John Sanders 40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>MUSICIAN
Fanny Sanders 40
Emily Sanders 16
Susan Sanders 12
William Sanders 10
Charles Sanders 8
Elizabeth Sanders 5
Jane Sanders 2

Hi Dea,
I am not at my house at the mo, so don't have cert with me. I know the bride and groom were both 18 when they married, Elizabeth Sanders married a James Baylis. He was a plasterer. Think i remember they both lived at Calton Rd Gloucester. Elizabeth's Father was John Sanders - it looked like Bugle Major as occupation !!!!!! i wonder what it was???? and no i hadn't been drinking !!!!!! the cert only came yest but i was called away so haven't looked properly.
thanks
Sally