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Hi,
Please
could some one who has the time.look up this family in any or all of these census's please1881,91,1901

I am particularly interested in where the husband and wife say they were born
I have them in the 1871 but have had no luck so far today with the 1881

Williams occupation is Hawker


Pheobe and Bethany are both married by 1881
and Emma is i think a second wife they married in 1866
I have no idea who his first wife was
Also William is sometimes known as Robert
that all seems a bit of a muddle but am keeping my fingers crossed someone will help
thank you
Blue

1871 England Census
about Bethany Rowland
Name: Bethany Rowland
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Horsham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
Town: Peckham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51

Haven't looked yet, but William born at Horsemonden on 1871 census, I think.

Thanks Wilma

i will look that place up

Horsmondon is in Kent but the high road through it led to Sussex where his two eldest daughters were born.
He was a hawker/traveler i think
Blue

This might be Sarah

1881

Sarah Rowland
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 79 Weston St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: General Servant

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Parker 27
Anna K. Parker 24
Annie Parker 3
Margaret Parker 2
Sarah Rowland 15

Thanks Julie,
I'll copy that for later
Blue

Seeing as Sarah is showing born in Camberwell, wonder if this is Williams & Emmas marriage

Marriages Mar 1866 (>99%)
>>>>>Albery Emma Camberwell 1d 696
Peters Walter Camberwell 1d 696
>>>>>Rowland William Camberwell 1d 696
WELCH Mary J Camberwell 1d 696

Hi Julie,
yes i think it must be,i think that the youngest child is probably Emma's
It's sort of looking like the first wife died giving birth or something like that

Was trying to narrow do where George was born, to then find a death for a female around that time, but can't make out the 1871 census

I was also trying to pick up Bethany in the 1861 but couldn't

Thanks Julie,
this family are so hard to trace,I've been looking for ages for any thing
I got Bethany's marriage cert yesterday and on it every one is illiterate,
She say's her fathers name is Robert,i think he was probably know as Robert
But as you can see from the 1871 it's William Robert

you would think that with names like Bethany and Phoebe in the same household searching would be easy!
Blue

Blue

Who did Bethany marry as im not even finding that...Then we can pick her up on the 1881 then go back to the 61

Ok,
this is the problem i have been having,Bethany called herself Amy on nearly every census after her marriage and even said that she was born in Peckham on most of them
She was born as far as i can tell in Eastborne as stated on the 1901 census where she also gives her full name

She married Robert Faulkner on the 30th Sept 1878 in St Mary Magdalene parish church in Peckham
On the cert she says she is Amy!


Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
FAULKNER Robert Camberwell 1d 1084
ROLAND Amy Camberwell 1d 1084

Deaths Dec 1928
Faulkner Bethany 68 Camberwell 1d 804

Births Mar 1857 (>99%)
Roland Bathany Eastbourne 2b 55
Births Mar 1857 (>99%)
Roland Elizabeth Eastbourne 2b 55

Possible ?

Birth:

Mar 1862

ROWLAND Phoebe Auckfield 2b 130

The district Auckfield has been linked by FreeBMD to Cuckfield although it is not strictly an alternative name for this district.
Cuckfield spans the boundaries of the counties of Sussex and West Sussex; information about it can be found here.

According to the 1871 census, Pheobe is noted as being born in Thorley, Sussex.

Hi Helen
Thanks
I don't know if these sisters lied about there birth details on purpose or not!
Just shows you can't believe every thing you read on the census
because Phoebe keeps saying she was born in Peckham as well
Strange Pair!

I also think that the dad had trouble remembering where the kids were born,but he has both the girls in the sussex area any way even if it's the wrong place!

I have had a good look and nothing is jumping out at me

Thanks Julie,
for all your help,but they were travelers after all and illiterate.
So i suppose it will take some time to track them,I'll just have to plod along i think and hope that something will pop up some day!

many thanks again x
Blue

I was having another look at the 1871 census and it doesn't say William's name was William Robert ... just William.


1871 England Census
about William Rowland
Name: William Rowland
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Horce Mar Dean, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
Town: Peckham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
William Rowland 40
Emma Rowland 23
Bethany Rowland 12
Phoebe Rowland 10
George Rowland 6
Sarah Rowland 3

Bethany born: Horsham, Surrey
Pheobe born: Thorley, Sussex
George born: Sancreed, Sussex
Sarah born: Peckham, Surrey

Emma born: Peckham, Surrey.

Hi Helen
Thanks
for the additional info
Looks to me like the first three children are by the first wife,who i suspect must have died,and the last one Sarah by the new wife Emma.
This shows me where to look now for the children's births

Blue

Although George's birthplace is given as Sancreed Sussex, I wouldn't rely on that too much given the other misinformation over the years.

Possible:

June Qtr 1864
ROWLAND George Horsham 2b 263

Horsham seems to figure in the family location history so this might be worth thinking about.