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I have received today the marriage cert of my ancestor Mary Alice Hassell. the surname of her husband William is clearly McOuland on the cert for william and his father Henry. however this name does not appear to exist!! no other records for it and if I google the name only two references in the whole of google appear. clearly I need to phonetic search it - any ideas of what this name could be?

Can you please give more info about Mary & William.

Would we be able to find them on census records ?
When did they marry ?

When were they born ?

For reference:

Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
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Coates Joseph Manchester 8d 368
HASSELL Mary Alice Manchester 8d 368
McOuland William Manchester 8d 368
METEYARD Margaret Manchester 8d 368

Dea x

i did soundtex & this is all it came up with

Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
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Coates Joseph Manchester 8d 368
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HASSELL Mary Alice Manchester 8d 368
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McOuland William Manchester 8d 368
METEYARD Margaret Manchester 8d 368

Mary Alice was born 1866 in Manchester the daughter of George and Alice (Hassell, sometimes Hassall) and the marriage was in 1884. she is given as 17 and William is 19. I would love to find them on the following census's but the surname of McOuland, is not coming up on anything including Ancestry. I have tried to find their witnesses Joseph Tetlow and Ellen Ford (who appear to marry each other the following year) but no joy yet there either (it was a clutching at straws idea I realise!) the thing that bothers me is that William signed with his mark indicating he could not write so the name may have been mis heard by the priest and William may not have known it was being mispelt on the register.

did a search for Mary A. born 1866 Manchester, husband William ... and found the following possibility....

However I can not find this family in 1901 nor William in 1881 ? ? ?

1891 England Census about Mary A Mc Laughlin
Name: Mary A Mc Laughlin
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 4 Plato St. (late John St.)
Occupation:

Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Mc Laughlin 26 ... lab. in Ironworks born.. Manchester
Mary A Mc Laughlin 25
Mary A Mc Laughlin 5
Ellin Mc Laughlin 3
Annie Mc Laughlin 1
Frank Mc Laughlin 0

Have deleted the other info I previously posted here as it was the wrong family - it looks like the McLoughlin family which Julie has posted is the one.

What were the addresses and occupations on marriage cert please?


Dea x

thanks to everyone. am following the McLaughlin family as a possiblity. I can find all the children registered as Mcloughlin and then the family in 1901 same name spelling with Mary A now a widow but extra children Albert and Alice. son Frank is at Henshaws Blue Coat School. so more to follow up but its looking hopeful, again many thanks for getting me on track! Shirley

This would be his death?

Deaths Jun 1899 (>99%)
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McLoughlin William 33 Manchester 8d 175

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Dea x

Looks like Mary remarried in 1907:

MCLOUGHLIN * Mary A DAVIES Thomas Manchester, Blackley, St. Peter Manchester 31/2/349

* Lancs Bmd site often gives previous married name + maiden name if married twice:

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DAVIES Thomas HASSALL Mary A Manchester, Blackley, St. Peter Manchester 31/2/349
DAVIES Thomas MCLOUGHLIN Mary A Manchester, Blackley, St. Peter Manchester 31/2/349
HASSALL Mary A DAVIES Thomas Manchester, Blackley, St. Peter Manchester 31/2/349
MCLOUGHLIN Mary A DAVIES Thomas Manchester, Blackley, St. Peter Manchester 31/2/349

Dea x

thanks for finding that second marriage Dea. on the first marriage both their addresses are given as St Paul's Parish - which I have not come across before so not sure what that implies - William is a labourer and his father Henry a bricklayer. in 1881 I have found a Henry McLoughlin aged 32 a bricklayer. in 1884 William is 19, so Henry will be 34/35 - pushing it I would think to be the father of William perhaps an older brother. anyway thank goodness in her second marriage it was a much more straightforward spelling - Davies! thnaks!!

Just to update, on the Manchester City Council burial records site
Mary Alice Davies 1951
Thomas Davies 1924
Alice McLoughlin 1920
all in grave 732 at Phillips Park
thank you all. Shirley

Hi,

Have not been able to follow this properly - perhaps someone could tke a look but I REALLY believe this is your William on 1881:

1881 England Census
about William McLoughin
Name: William McLoughin
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester

Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 7 Windson St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer

Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Susannah McLoughin 48
Robert McLoughin 23
William McLoughin 17
Frank McLoughin 9

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4007; Folio: 92; Page: 35; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341956.


Susannah may have been married a couple of times and there is a STRONG connection to the name Ford (witness on his marriage cert).

On 1861 he had a sister called Bridget who by 1881 had married a William Wilson. - slipper maker born Halifax c 1847.

I can only find a marriage tfor William Wilson to a Bridget Ford in 1871 and have traced a possible for her on 1871 census (before her marriage), to a Bridget born Manchester, in Yorkshire, with an Ellen Ford (poss witness on William's wedding cert).

1881 shows Susannah, Robert, William + Frank with William + Bridget Wilson, back in Manchester.

There is a 'Sushannah' McLaughlin (born Manchester) in Yorkshire on 1871 married to a William H?

Does anyone else have time to have a 'little look' at this please and give an opinion ?

I will come back to it later.

Dea x

P.S. - Are you there 'Julie Wonder Woman' ?? - We need you back on this please!!

Hi Dea, I had seen the 1881 in Windson St and had wondered, and also next door is Bridget and William Wilson, although I had not made any connection with them. how did you find Bridget on 1861, I have not found the family in any other census. how are they spelling the surname in 1861? you are saying I think that Bridget McLoughlin, married a man named Ford after 1861 and then later in 1871 married again to a man called William Wilson? I think Henry McLoughlin age 32 in 1881 could be a brother to my William, both being bricklayers also, although Susannah may be step mother rather than mother? big gap between William 17 and Frank 9 ( a name Wiliam also names one of his sons. I have found a marriage of Henry McGloughlin to Margaret Duxbury in 1860 in Manchester, just to add to the confusion! anyway if can you tell me where to find Bridget in 1860 I would be grateful! thanks S

... just found this - 21 West Street

Name: Susannah McLoughlin
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Blackley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Prestwich
Sub registration district: Blackley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
Susannah McLoughlin 74
Frank McLoughlin 32
John McLoughlin 21
Harold McLoughlin 8
Ernest McLoughlin 3

Frank is her son, John Harold and Ernest her grandsons. both Frank and John are bricklayers.

Sorry Shirley - Grandaughter came to stay for a couple of days.

Bridget in 1861:

: Susan McLaughlan
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Susan McLaughlan 30
Henry McLaughlan 13
Bridgett McLaughlan 11
Robert McLaughlan 3
Mary McLaughlan 1


Addington st???

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2955; Folio: 6; Page: 7; GSU roll: 543055.

Source Information:

Dea x

Hi Dea,
thanks for the title, do not think that I can live up to it though.

Sorry that I have not been much help, I have to work 3 extra shifts this week.
I have been checking your progress though and you looked to be going well.

Have spent over 2 hours this morning (while you up north slept), just checking on everything and I also can not find an earlier marriage for Bridget.

Will keep looking and hope that I can find something...

I do not think that the " 'Sushannah' McLaughlin (born Manchester) in Yorkshire on 1871 census, married to a William H, is 'our' Susannah/Susan.
The childrens names and ages do not match and in some cases clash. BUT as I have not found another I will keep her in the back of my mind.

Sorry......

I have looked under...

Mc Laughlan
Mc Laughlin
Mc Loughlan
Mc Loughlin
Mc Lachlin
Mc Lachlan
Mc Lauchland

and not found any more info. than what has already been found.

Thanks Julie - this one IS a 'puzzler' isn't it??

I do hate to be beaten !

You keep up the 'night shift' and I'll keep up the 'day shift' - we will 'crack it' in the end..........

Dea x

thanks for your help with this family, I like the look of the 1861 census with Susan, and when I find her in 1871 it may be clearer but to date I have still to find any census with Henry the father of William on. as Henry is a bricklayer I felt that the 1881 Susannah in Windson St is probably the family too with William as a bricklayers labourer, but still no Henry. thinking on Dea's finding of Bridget I thought about the name and it occured to me they could be catholic so have been looking at M/c and Lancs fhs Catholic registers and found a Bridget McLoughlin bap 1850 godmother is listed as an Ellen Keating. no Henry or Susannahs although the index is a work In progress I think. there is a Bridget McLoughlin in Sept 1850 on Free BMD.
in 1891, I think this is brother Robert perhaps

Name: Robert McLoughlin
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert McLoughlin 32
Mary McLoughlin 22
Robert McLoughlin 9
Sarah A McLoughlin 8
William McLoughlin 8
Agnes McLoughlin 2

it could be Bk Lestor st. (hard to read) number 14. interestingly there is a Bridget Wilson living next door at number 16 but her age is 58, although they could have written that wrong, it would not be the first time a 5 and a 3 had been mixed, or the wrong age given. I have just found a Robert McLoughlin of Manchester in the Soldiers dying at Gallipoli.
will keep looking for Henry, I wonder if being a bricklayer would he have worked away in sort of gangs on a site and possibly been away from home on census nights and missed being registered? well anyway thanks and Happy Easter to you all. Shirley