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mgnv,

Thank you so much for all the information it has been brilliant.

I have serched so much tonight i think i have brain freeze as well hahaha lol

So i am going to take a well deserved bath with a cuppa.


Thank you so much again xxxx

OK Kate sorted

1871 Wales Census
Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Canton
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: Llandaff Rd
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 166

Anne Gooden 22 [32] Whitaker, Warwickshire, England Head W Annuitant
Anna Gooden 13 Nuneaton Daughter Pupil Teacher
Emma Labirer 26 Nuneaton Daughter National School Mistress
Kate Little 9 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Visitor

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5365; Folio: 18; Page: 33; GSU roll: 848454.

[Image does say daur - most likely explanation is enumerator brainfreeze]

1861 England Census
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 261 St Philips Rd
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 52

Seth G Little 21 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Head File Hardener
Elizabeth Little 26 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife Dressmaker

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3482; Folio: 52; Page: 11; GSU roll: 543139.



1881 Wales Census
Civil Parish: Llandaff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 2 Commercial St
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 24

Seth Grant Little 42 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Head M File Manufacturer Employing 8 Men 2 Boys
Elizabeth Little 46 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife M
Kate Little 19 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter U
Annie Little 7 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Scholar
Fanny Pratt 15 Gosport, Hampshire, England Servant U General Servant

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5282; Folio: 7; Page: 14; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342270.

Births Jun 1861 (>99%)
LITTLE Kate Sheffield 9c 302
Births Dec 1873 (>99%)
Little Anne Cardiff 11a 243

Where was Kate in 1871?

Many thanks to all for your help. Derek has posted this inforamtion for me



NICHOLAS HURST buried in GL 29.11.1834 aged 62
ELIZABETH ROBINSON buried GL 26.11.1842

Both Elizabeth and Nicholas had passed away by 1851 thats why we cant find them in 1851


Seaham lass thank you so much for your help xx

Seaham lass,

Thank you so much for this, i cant thank you enough, i think your on the money with the little family

Heidi xxx

Henry Little married Maria Grant on 2nd June 1822, St Peter's, Sheffield

And 1841, Sheffield
Name Age
Henry Little 45
Maria Little 40
Thomas Little 20
Mathew Little 20
Mary Little 18
Elizabeth Little 11
Ann Little 10
Martha Little 5
Seth Little 2

My guess is that the Ann Cadman in 1851 is Martha's sister

1851 Sheffield
I think that this is Martha with her brother Seth Grant Little

Mary Cadman 31 (this is a male)
Ann E Cadman 26
Elizabeth Cadman 5 Mo
Elizabeth Little 22, born Leeds
Martha Little 15, born Leeds
Leth Grant Little 4, born Sheffield and image says he's 11

Hi Mgnv,
I have managed to check and they are the same address, Robert is Seth G, i think there may have been a copy error, but i am so glad of the help i am getting from everyone on the site.

Heidi xx

I can't find two 1871 censuses. All I can find is:

1871 Wales Census
Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Canton
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 3 Commercial Rd
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 24b
Household schedule number: 729

Seth G Little 32 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Head M File Manufacture employs 5 men 2 boys
Elizabeth Little 37 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife M
Thomas Hurst 37 Great Longstone, Derbyshire, England Brother-in-law M File Hardener
Martha Hurst 35 Leeds, Yorkshire, England [Brother-in-laws] Wife M
Thomas Hurst 15 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England [Brother-in-laws] Son File Cutter
Henry Hurst 12 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England [Brother-in-laws] Son Scholar

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5366; Folio: 22; Page: 37; GSU roll: 848455.

SanpDragon

Brilliant, i came across this before but i had ruled it out as Charles Bosse being a brother in law but thanks to you i have looked at the image and brother in law is crossed out and lodger has been squeezed in.

Cant thank you enough for your help snapdragon

And learning through my mistakes will check images frrom now

1861 census
Name THOMAS HURST
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1856
Relationship to Head of Household SON
Occupation SCHOLAR
Address 261 St Philips Rd
District Sheffield, North Sheffield
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place Sheffield
Birth County YORKSHIRE
in house thomas hurst 28
martha wife 28
mary e 7
thomas 5
henry 2
charles bossebrother in law
elizabeth wife 31
frederick william cant make ge out think 3j

Snap Dragon right family in 1901,

Thomas and Martha Hurst Had three children,

Mary Hurst marriage 1 Thomas France marriage 2 Joesph France

Thomas Hurst marriage Jane Carey

Henry Hurst marriage Ellen Athby

All the children listed on the 1901 census are Ellen and Henry's children apart from Louisa Hurst who is Thomas and Jane's daughter, the sister of Horace Hurst 1891 Sheffield that i can find no record of either, June Lewis helped me with this a few weeks ago and neither of us could find him.

Thats why when i got to Elizabeth Hurst nee Robinson and Nicholas Hurst i felt like this family just didnt want to be found lol

I still cant find Thomas 1833 Great Longstone on the 1851 census, and they seem to be driving me potty at the moment hahaha

But i really do want to thank you for your help with this

Seaham Lass you are so right, im so sorry i was looking at his son Thomas who married Jane Carey in 1877. Your right it was 1853.
Sorry for putting the wrong date.

Heidi x

Thank you so much everyone, this has been a brilliant help, going to have to do some digging here again i think Tania and Snapdragon wow two 1871 census returns, i think i will to find out who Martha's father is to prove if Seth G or Robert Little are my Martha's brother. I think it's really mad to have two families with exactly the same information.

Thanks June again for your help, you helped me before with Horace.

Sablon Thank you for you help with the records.

Thank you Seaham lass for your census information.

Cant thank you all enough.

Still cant find Thomas's mother or father any other idea's guys? Elizabeth and Nicholas Hurst


Heidi xx

1901 census
Address 13 Lansdowne Rd
Civil Parish Canton
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St John The Divine Canton
Parliamentary Borough or Division Cardiff
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Cardiff
Administrative County Glamorganshire
Householder 1
Name Arthur Hurst
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 16
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Carpenter Loundry
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Sheffield
Language English
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Ellen Hurst
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 43
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation File Cutter
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Holmes
Language English
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Harry Hurst
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 14
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Surveyers Clerk
Employment Status
Where Born Glamorgan Cardiff
Language English
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Lawrence Hurst
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 18
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Colliery Proprietors Clerk
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Sheffield
Language English
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Louisa Hurst
Relation to Head of Family Grand Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Sheffield
Language English
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Martha Hurst
Relation to Head of Family Sister
Condition as to Marriage Widower
Age Last Birthday 65
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation File Finisher Steel
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Leeds
Language English
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name Thomas Hurst
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Yorks Sheffield
Language English
Infirmity
martha in 1901

Thomas married Martha in 1853 not 1877

Henry Hurst
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View Image
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hurst 28
Martha Hurst 28
Mary E Hurst 7
Thomas Hurst 5
Henry Hurst 2
Charles Bosse 34
Elizabeth Bosse 31
Frank Wm Bosse 11

1871 census
Name THOMAS HURST
Age 37
Estimated Year of Birth 1834
Relationship to Head of Household BROTHER IN LAW
Occupation FILE HARDENER
Address 3 Commercial Road
District Cardiff, Cardiff
Parish
Administrative County Glamorgan
Birth Place Longstone
Birth County DERBYSHIRE
in house
robert little head 32
elizabeth wife cant make out age
thomas hurst brother in law 37
martha wife 35
thomas son 15
henry son 12
RG 10 / 5366

1901 maybe

Name: Horace Hurst
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kimberworth, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Handsworth Woodhouse St James
Town: Woodhouse
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

******************Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 113
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hurst 51
Sarah Hurst 50
Anne Hurst 21
Francis Alice Hurst 13
Charles Hurst 11
Horace Hurst 10
William Turner 50 Boarder
Joshua Mamott 36 Boarder




1891 same family

Name: Sarah Hurst
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Kimberworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Thorpe Hesley
Town: Thorpe Hesley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub registration district: Kimberworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hurst 49
Sarah Hurst 41
John Edward Hurst 20
Sophia Hurst 17
Ann Hurst 12
Frances Alice Hurst 4
Charles Hurst 10/12
George Hurst 22
Sarah Ann Hurst 20







1881 same family

Name: Charlie Hurst
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Low Icles, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Hesley Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Wortley
Sub registration district: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlie Hurst 53
Sarah Hurst 31
John E. Hurst 10
Sophia Hurst 7
Amelia Hurst 4
Ann Hurst 1




1871

Name: Charles Hurst
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Hoyland
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub registration district: Darfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 311
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hurst 24
Sarah Hurst 22
George Hurst 2
John E Hurst 5 months




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