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Hi Denise,

When we found her in 1881, we really thought she'd been incorrectly recorded as Eliza but another piece of the puzzle falls into place. It seems her parents did call her by the pet name Eliza after all and she held onto it.



Deb:)

Hi Deb,

Pleased that it's sorted for you.

I didn't see them when looking at number 7, the image is poor and I was looking for a Charlotte or Maria. Walter was the one I found and the date and area for Elizabeth/Charlotte just fell into place.

Dee x

Hi Denise,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. There's a 10 hr difference between OZand UK.

Well done. At last they've been found! Yes, servant would be right for Charlotte as she was supposed to be a servant in the Royal Household.

Did you spot them next door when you viewed number 7?

Dee is going to be over the moon. A big thank-you to both you and Michelle.


Yippee




Deb:)

Think I may have found them!!!!!

1901 England Census
about Walter Janett
Name: Walter Janett
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Inl, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 8 Little Church street

Occupation: Horse Keeper/ Groom

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 259
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Janett 25
Elizabeth Janett 22

Image states Jarrett, Elizabeth/Charlotte??? occupation is hard to read, it could say Serv??

Dee x

Hi Deb,

This is the family at 7 Little Church Street in 1901;

1901 England Census
about Joseph Woolmore
Name: Joseph Woolmore
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: John R
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 257
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Woolmore 30
John R Woolmore 28 (Image states Eliza!!!)
Joseph Woolmore 7
Eliza Woolmore 2
Sarah Ansell 38

I've looked at the original image, unfortunately I couldn't see CM.

Dee x

I'm posting Charlotte and her family in 1911 as a reference. It may help in some way:


31 LITTLE CARLISLE ST ST MARYLEBONE W

JARRETT CHARLES EDGAR M 1905 6 St Marylebone London
JARRETT CHARLOTTE F 1879 32 St Marylebone London
JARRETT ERNEST FREDERICK M 1910 11 MONTHS St Marylebone London
JARRETT FRANCIS ROSE F 1902 9 St Marylebone London
JARRETT GEORGE HAROLD M 1908 3 St Marylebone London
JARRETT HARRY M 1907 4 St Marylebone London
JARRETT WALTER M 1877 34 St Marylebone London
JARRETT WILLIAM WALTER M 1903 8 St Marylebone London





Deb:)

I've got some more info from Dee.

Charlotte Maria was living at 7 Little Church Street, Marylebone in Dec 1902. It's the same address on her childrens birth certs for years after. They must have moved from there by 1911 but were back in Little Church St by 1918 when another daughter was born.

What's interesting is that Charlotte Maria and her husband Walter Jarrett had their first child in June 1901, before they married and Walter's missing from the 1901 census as well.

Family gossip is that Charlotte Maria worked in the Royal Household.

Could someone do an address search of the 1901 for CM's address?



Deb:)

Thanks for all your help Michelle. Sleep tight. I've left Dee a message so I'll close too and wait for her to reply.



Deb:)

Debs

I am in England and really tired its 2.38am.Post the info on here when you get it re address and also if an occupation was listed for her on the 1901.Sorry i haven't been able to see her and hope someone over night gets better luck.Another thought as she was orphaned so young...she may well not know where she was born.So she may not even be under Middlesex?

Great working with you though!!Good luck.

Michelle : )

Thanks for posting that Debs was wondering why she no show in the other 2 names!Thought i was just tired!!

Michelle

Hi Michelle,

I'll get on to Dee asap about CM's address in 1902. It's possible to do an address search. She may have been there in 1901. Dee's probably sleeping right now but I'll leave her a message.

All the siblings marriages show on freebmd. It's interesting but probably trivial that the eldest sisters married brothers Curd. Funny, the little things we spot.......................lol




Deb:)

Hi Michelle,

Here's the family in 1881 as a guide. As you can see, Maria was incorrectly recorded as Eliza (or it was a pet name). Either way, we know for certain that it's Maria. The address and occupation of father match exactly for birth cert and census info, plus Charlotte Maria's marriage cert states father's details the same plus deceased in 1902. There were no Eliza/Elizabeths on freebmd for 1878-1881.


Name: Eliza Doncaster
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 16 Hayden Mews
Education:

Employment status:

Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 39c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Doncaster 40 occupation painter's labourer
Susan Doncaster 40
Rosana Doncaster 17
Edith Doncaster 16
Fanny Doncaster 10
Ellen Doncaster 7
William Doncaster 6
Sarah Doncaster 4
Eliza Doncaster 1 <<<<<<<<




Deb:)

Was their an address on the marriage cert of 1902 St Marylebone marriage for CM Doncaster?

Was there any siblings?have you followed them through the census records?I did notice an H M Doncaster on the census records although she may have poss married in 1900-wondered if she maybe a connection to the witness?Or was there a brother with the initials H.M?

1881 England Census
about Hannah M. Doncaster
Name: Hannah M. Doncaster
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Ebenezer
Mother's Name: Mary E.
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington

Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 10 Charles St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ebenezer Doncaster 28
Mary E. Doncaster 27
Hannah M. Doncaster 3
Ellen M. Rush 15

Would be great to find her wouldn't it.Must be so frustrating.

Michelle : )

Thanks Michelle,

You're a star for doing this. It would be lovely to find Maria during this lost decade. Dee has everything else for Maria but is missing the 1901 entry for her g/gran.

Like you, I strongly suspect she was taken in by a family and fostered. If it's true, then it's information that Dee would love to confirm.



Deb:)

Mead is married

1901 England Census
about Charlotte Mead
Name: Charlotte Mead
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington

Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 274
Household Members: Name Age
James Mead 23
Charlotte Mead 21
Roseina Mead 13
James Mead 1


1901 England Census
about Charlotte M Aylward
Name: Charlotte M Aylward
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Abraham
Gender: Female
Where born: Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Aylward 65
Arthur J Aylward 25
Charlotte M Aylward 22
Henry A Aylward 20

1901 England Census
about Charlotte M Bishop
Name: Charlotte M Bishop
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Francis
Mother's Name: Charlotte A E
Gender: Female
Where born: Hacking, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Sale
Ecclesiastical parish: Sale St Anne
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bucklow
Sub registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Bishop 49
Charlotte A E Bishop 43
Charlotte M Bishop 22
Francis W Bishop 20
Annie L Bishop 18
Alice D Bishop 17
Sidney M Bishop 15
Harold C M Bishop 14
Gilbert Bishop 10
Gladys S Bishop 7

Will keep looking

The others coming up on blanket search are:

Charlotte Mead c1880

Charlotte M Aylward c1879

Charlotte M Bishop (living in Cheshire)


The problem with not having a subscription anymore is that the vital info is blanked out and I can't see birth place of these ladies.




Deb:)

Sorry Debs looks like you can count her out.Just found her birth

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Cooer Maria B Anger
Name: Cooer Maria B Anger
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Kensington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 154 (click to see others on page)

Hi Michelle,

That looks very good!

Everything fits for her being Charlotte Maria. And also the fact that she isn't with them in 1891 makes it very promising. She was orphaned a few months before the 1891 census and was enrolled in a school at the time.

Can you do a quick check of the 1891 just to eliminate the possibility of a C. Maria Anger being elsewhere?




Deb:)


Edit: Oh, blast. I've just seen your posting for 1891.

However this could be her the missing C Maria on the 1891 visiting and birthyear a little out??

1891 England Census
about Maria Anger
Name: Maria Anger
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, London, England

Civil Parish: Hornsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frany L Steel 41
Jemima Steel 43
Albert G Steel 11
Alice M Steel 9
Edgcumbe L Steel 8
Margaret Anger 21
Rosalie Anger 9
Maria Anger 7
Harriet M Brown 17
Sydney J Murray 29
Arthur E Murray 26