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29 Jan 2009 00:27 |
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I've been helping a fellow researcher trace her g/grandmother, Charlotte Maria Doncaster. She was born Maria Doncaster in Kensington 1879 and married as Charlotte Doncaster in 1902. We've found her in 1881 with her family and orphaned in 1891 but no sign of her in 1901.
She must be badly mistranscribed. Could someone do a blanket search for her please?
Deb:)
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***Michelle***
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29 Jan 2009 01:01 |
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Hi Debs
Was there a occupation listed for her on the marriage cert?Also she may have been taken in by a family and given their name on the census records?Who were the witnesses?
Michelle
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29 Jan 2009 01:09 |
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Hi Michelle,
The only witness that I know of was a W.H. Doncaster, presumably Maria's brother. The lady that I'm helping has the birth and marriage certs.
I've noticed a C. Maria Anger c1882 showing up but don't have a subscription anymore. Other than that, I can't see anyone who fits. We already know that Alina Doncaster (mistranscribed) is actually Alma Doncaster, a seperate lady.
Deb:)
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***Michelle***
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29 Jan 2009 01:21 |
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This is the C M Anger you mentioned
1901 England Census about C Maria Anger Name: C Maria Anger Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John C Gender: Female Where born: Kensington Civil Parish: Clapham Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Wandsworth Sub registration district: Clapham ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 252 Household Members: Name Age John C Anger 63 C Maria Anger 19 Hilda M Anger 16 Jublice Victer Anger 13 Maud Anger 12 Dorothy Anger 11 Daisey Anger 11 The father of this lady
1901 England Census about John C Anger Name: John C Anger Age: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil Parish: Clapham Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Wandsworth Sub registration district: Clapham ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 252 Household Members: Name Age John C Anger 63 C Maria Anger 19 Hilda M Anger 16 Jublice Victer Anger 13 Maud Anger 12 Dorothy Anger 11 Daisey Anger 11 Interesting that the 1891 there does not seem to be a C M Anger???
1891 England Census about John Chas Fred Anger Name: John Chas Fred Anger Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Maria Ashburner Gender: Male Where born: Werden Rhine, Germany Civil Parish: Hampstead Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Hampstead Sub registration district: Hampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Chas Fred Anger 53 Maria Ashburner Anger 33 Frederick Anger 18 Edward Anger 14 Gurdon Anger 12 Hilda Anger 6 William Anger 5 Victoria Anger 3 Maud Anger 2 Emily Anger 1 Annice Anger 1 Annie Coates 35 Emily Perkins 21 Maria Eastlaugh 75
She maybe elsewhere??Or maybe the 1901 is your C M Doncaster taken in by this family?On the 1891 he is listed as a Wholesale Stationer
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***Michelle***
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29 Jan 2009 01:28 |
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However this could be her the missing C Maria on the 1891 visiting and birthyear a little out??
1891 England Census about Maria Anger Name: Maria Anger Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Kensington, London, England Civil Parish: Hornsey Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Hornsey County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Edmonton Sub registration district: Hornsey ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Frany L Steel 41 Jemima Steel 43 Albert G Steel 11 Alice M Steel 9 Edgcumbe L Steel 8 Margaret Anger 21 Rosalie Anger 9 Maria Anger 7 Harriet M Brown 17 Sydney J Murray 29 Arthur E Murray 26
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29 Jan 2009 01:28 |
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Hi Michelle,
That looks very good!
Everything fits for her being Charlotte Maria. And also the fact that she isn't with them in 1891 makes it very promising. She was orphaned a few months before the 1891 census and was enrolled in a school at the time.
Can you do a quick check of the 1891 just to eliminate the possibility of a C. Maria Anger being elsewhere?
Deb:)
Edit: Oh, blast. I've just seen your posting for 1891.
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***Michelle***
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29 Jan 2009 01:37 |
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Sorry Debs looks like you can count her out.Just found her birth
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Cooer Maria B Anger Name: Cooer Maria B Anger Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Kensington County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 154 (click to see others on page)
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29 Jan 2009 01:39 |
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The others coming up on blanket search are:
Charlotte Mead c1880
Charlotte M Aylward c1879
Charlotte M Bishop (living in Cheshire)
The problem with not having a subscription anymore is that the vital info is blanked out and I can't see birth place of these ladies.
Deb:)
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29 Jan 2009 01:52 |
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Mead is married
1901 England Census about Charlotte Mead Name: Charlotte Mead Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Gender: Female Where born: Kensington Civil Parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Kensington Sub registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 274 Household Members: Name Age James Mead 23 Charlotte Mead 21 Roseina Mead 13 James Mead 1
1901 England Census about Charlotte M Aylward Name: Charlotte M Aylward Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Abraham Gender: Female Where born: Edmonton, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Tottenham Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Edmonton Sub registration district: Tottenham ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 161 Household Members: Name Age Abraham Aylward 65 Arthur J Aylward 25 Charlotte M Aylward 22 Henry A Aylward 20
1901 England Census about Charlotte M Bishop Name: Charlotte M Bishop Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Francis Mother's Name: Charlotte A E Gender: Female Where born: Hacking, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Sale Ecclesiastical parish: Sale St Anne County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bucklow Sub registration district: Altrincham ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 137 Household Members: Name Age Francis Bishop 49 Charlotte A E Bishop 43 Charlotte M Bishop 22 Francis W Bishop 20 Annie L Bishop 18 Alice D Bishop 17 Sidney M Bishop 15 Harold C M Bishop 14 Gilbert Bishop 10 Gladys S Bishop 7
Will keep looking
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29 Jan 2009 01:57 |
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Thanks Michelle,
You're a star for doing this. It would be lovely to find Maria during this lost decade. Dee has everything else for Maria but is missing the 1901 entry for her g/gran.
Like you, I strongly suspect she was taken in by a family and fostered. If it's true, then it's information that Dee would love to confirm.
Deb:)
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***Michelle***
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29 Jan 2009 02:03 |
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Was there any siblings?have you followed them through the census records?I did notice an H M Doncaster on the census records although she may have poss married in 1900-wondered if she maybe a connection to the witness?Or was there a brother with the initials H.M?
1881 England Census about Hannah M. Doncaster Name: Hannah M. Doncaster Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Ebenezer Mother's Name: Mary E. Gender: Female Where born: Kensington Civil Parish: Kensington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 10 Charles St Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Kensington Sub registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ebenezer Doncaster 28 Mary E. Doncaster 27 Hannah M. Doncaster 3 Ellen M. Rush 15
Would be great to find her wouldn't it.Must be so frustrating.
Michelle : )
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29 Jan 2009 02:09 |
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Was their an address on the marriage cert of 1902 St Marylebone marriage for CM Doncaster?
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29 Jan 2009 02:14 |
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Hi Michelle,
Here's the family in 1881 as a guide. As you can see, Maria was incorrectly recorded as Eliza (or it was a pet name). Either way, we know for certain that it's Maria. The address and occupation of father match exactly for birth cert and census info, plus Charlotte Maria's marriage cert states father's details the same plus deceased in 1902. There were no Eliza/Elizabeths on freebmd for 1878-1881.
Name: Eliza Doncaster Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Henry Mother's Name: Susan Gender: Female Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Kensington County/Island: London Country: England
Street address: 16 Hayden Mews Education:
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Registration district: Kensington Sub registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 39c Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Henry Doncaster 40 occupation painter's labourer Susan Doncaster 40 Rosana Doncaster 17 Edith Doncaster 16 Fanny Doncaster 10 Ellen Doncaster 7 William Doncaster 6 Sarah Doncaster 4 Eliza Doncaster 1 <<<<<<<<
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29 Jan 2009 02:30 |
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Hi Michelle,
I'll get on to Dee asap about CM's address in 1902. It's possible to do an address search. She may have been there in 1901. Dee's probably sleeping right now but I'll leave her a message.
All the siblings marriages show on freebmd. It's interesting but probably trivial that the eldest sisters married brothers Curd. Funny, the little things we spot.......................lol
Deb:)
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29 Jan 2009 02:30 |
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Thanks for posting that Debs was wondering why she no show in the other 2 names!Thought i was just tired!!
Michelle
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29 Jan 2009 02:39 |
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Debs
I am in England and really tired its 2.38am.Post the info on here when you get it re address and also if an occupation was listed for her on the 1901.Sorry i haven't been able to see her and hope someone over night gets better luck.Another thought as she was orphaned so young...she may well not know where she was born.So she may not even be under Middlesex?
Great working with you though!!Good luck.
Michelle : )
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29 Jan 2009 02:43 |
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Thanks for all your help Michelle. Sleep tight. I've left Dee a message so I'll close too and wait for her to reply.
Deb:)
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29 Jan 2009 11:54 |
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I've got some more info from Dee.
Charlotte Maria was living at 7 Little Church Street, Marylebone in Dec 1902. It's the same address on her childrens birth certs for years after. They must have moved from there by 1911 but were back in Little Church St by 1918 when another daughter was born.
What's interesting is that Charlotte Maria and her husband Walter Jarrett had their first child in June 1901, before they married and Walter's missing from the 1901 census as well.
Family gossip is that Charlotte Maria worked in the Royal Household.
Could someone do an address search of the 1901 for CM's address?
Deb:)
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29 Jan 2009 12:10 |
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I'm posting Charlotte and her family in 1911 as a reference. It may help in some way:
31 LITTLE CARLISLE ST ST MARYLEBONE W
JARRETT CHARLES EDGAR M 1905 6 St Marylebone London JARRETT CHARLOTTE F 1879 32 St Marylebone London JARRETT ERNEST FREDERICK M 1910 11 MONTHS St Marylebone London JARRETT FRANCIS ROSE F 1902 9 St Marylebone London JARRETT GEORGE HAROLD M 1908 3 St Marylebone London JARRETT HARRY M 1907 4 St Marylebone London JARRETT WALTER M 1877 34 St Marylebone London JARRETT WILLIAM WALTER M 1903 8 St Marylebone London
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29 Jan 2009 12:53 |
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Hi Deb,
This is the family at 7 Little Church Street in 1901;
1901 England Census about Joseph Woolmore Name: Joseph Woolmore Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 Relation: Son Father's Name: Joseph Mother's Name: John R Gender: Male Where born: Marylebone, London, England Civil Parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: St Marylebone Sub registration district: Christchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 257 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Woolmore 30 John R Woolmore 28 (Image states Eliza!!!) Joseph Woolmore 7 Eliza Woolmore 2 Sarah Ansell 38
I've looked at the original image, unfortunately I couldn't see CM.
Dee x
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