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Hi Heather

Thats what I'm starting to think.

Any ideas what to try next??

Trouble is, they may not have married at all.

Catherine and Julie thank you for your help. Its much appreciated. Have a stroppy teenager wanting its dinner now so have to pop off for a bit.
If you find out anything keep me posted and I will check the thread later.

Cheers for now
Karen

I think Catherine I assumed as it said Frederick J. Brown that he was the one I was looking for. On the 1881 census of Sarah and Henry Brown living in Chiswick it doesn't state a Frederick living with them.

Yes Julie

It says his Father is Henry Brown. His mother Sarah Brown formerly Mattock. His fathers occupation was Garden Labourer.

Had to slip out, just got back.

I'm a bit confused now! I had a look at the 1881 census and I'm wondering why you think that this is the Frederick that you are looking for.
Step Son usually means that the child is the son of the Wife but here the Wife's name is Ellen and you say that the birth cert. gives mothers maiden name as Sarah Mattock.

for ref. the 1881 census:-
Name: Frederick J. Brown
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Step Son
Mother's Name: Ellen E.
Gender: Male
Where born: Chiswick, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Chiswick
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 22 Back Lane

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Brentford
Sub registration district: Chiswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George W. Jackson 36
Ellen E. Jackson 35
Ernest W. Jackson 7
Frederick J. Brown 10
Ellen E. Wise 5
John F. Wise 39

And does it say that his parents were Henry & Sarah...Also what was Henrys occupation

I have just traced the Wise's back through the census and still don't know what Frederick has to do with them

Yes I do

Karen

I have no idea about that one.....Do you have Fredericks B/C

Hi Julie

I know it is confusing. I assume as my great grandfather was called Frederick James Brown then that is him on the census in Chiswick. But why do they refer to him as Stepson???

Karen

Hi Catherine

It could be I've been assuming to much with staying in the Chiswick area. Its a side of the family that nobody knows much about unfortunately so I'm afraid I don't know any siblings names. Any ideas where I can go to find more info on the marriage.

Grateful for all your help

Regards
Karen

Same family in 1861:-
Name: William Brown
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Bromley
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 100
Household Members:
Name Age
William Brown 29
Sarah Ann Brown 25
Sarah Louisa Brown 3
Susannah Elizth Brown 3 Mo

father is William so you can eliminate this family from your search.

Hi Julie

Correct area and possibly the right family. On the 1881 census it has my great grandfather as living with someone else and they refer to him as a stepson?? So now I'm baffled!!

Appreciate your help

Karen

This would be the same family in 1871:-
Name: Fredk Brown
Age: 11 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Bromley
Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 178
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Brown 35
Sarah Brown 12
Susannah Brown 10
Sarah Brown 8
Lucy Brown 3
Fredk Brown 11 months

Could this be him in 1881?:-

Name: Frederick Brown
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Bromley, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bow
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 5 Saxon Rd

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Brown 46
Sarah Brown 22
Susannah Brown 20
Sarah H. Brown 18
Lucy Brown 13
Frederick Brown 10

If not, can you give the names of any siblings that could help find him in other census records?

If this is them on the 1871 then your great grandfather wasn't the eldest

Henry Brown
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Chiswick, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Chiswick
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Brentford
Sub registration district: Chiswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Brown 27
Sarah Brown 25
Mary Brown 6
Thomas Brown 8 months
Betty Brown 19

Hi Heather

Yes I got the maiden name from my Great Grandfathers birth Certificate. It says Father Henry Brown. Mother Sarah Brown formerly Sarah Mattock. He was born in the Chiswick area so would have been registered in Brentford, Middlesex. I assume they were from that area too. Yes I have tried Freebmd.

Thanks for your help.

Regards
Karen

Hi Lancashire Ann

I did wonder if it was Mattock, Matlock or Maltock. As you never know just by reading a Birth certificate. Thanks for your help.

Regards
Karen

Hi Catherine

My great grandfathers name was Frederick James Brown

Thanks
Karen

Have you checked on freebmd yourself? How did you get mums maiden name? Was it on a birth cert?

NB, Matlock could easily be confused for Mattock if you are reading a birth cert. but that 1878 marriage is in Lougborough.