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With William on the 1871 is 37 year old John Hull (father). Think this should read 57

1851 shows a John & Harriet Hull living in Hindley with son son Wm born 1832 Whalley, Yorkshire

Worth a look

Births Jun 1854 (99%)
FAIRBROTHER Alice Wigan 8c 79

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1860
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HULL William FAIRBROTHER Margaret Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/13/108

I think she could have been either of these two Margarets:

Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
Burrow John Lancaster 8e 688 Scan available - click to view
HORNBY Margaret Lancaster 8e 688 Scan available - click to view
HULL William Lancaster 8e 688 Scan available - click to view
STIRZAKER Margaret Lancaster 8e 688 Scan available - click to view

Jill


p.s. Personally I like to know the surnames of the women in my tree ...

I think she was actually Margaret Fairbrother

I personally would make sure I had all the certs necessary to prove that line before I went looking for his parents.

The 1831 baptism in Manchester Cathedral may not be him - but if you can check his father's name and occupation you might then be able to find him on the 1841 and 1851 censuses which would help - plus give a clue to where his parents came from and their ages.

You could be wasting your time otherwise.

Jill

Thanks Jill, yes he is a direct ancestor william would be my dads great grandad, i think we have established that John was his father and Mother was Harriett, i suppose its back to the drawing board now to find their ancestry, any ideas on that... sorry

williams 1st child was alice b 1855 b hindley margaret poss maiden names are either margaret hornby or margaret stirzaker m 1854 lancs
jean

As per your thread on TTF, you need to order a child's birth cert followed by a copy of William's marriage cert. I'm convinced he didn't marry until 1860

Brother? Maybe not unless his father remarried very quickly ...

JOHN WILLIAM HULL Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
25 DEC 1830 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN HULL Family
Mother: MARY

From the IGI:

WILLIAM HULL Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
20 NOV 1831 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN HULL Family
Mother: HARRIET

Is he a direct ancestor?

for reference purposes


is this the 1881 Census???

Name: William Hull
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Denton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Hindley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Behind Prince of Wales Inn Off Market St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Hindley

William Hull 50
Margaret Hull 53 b.ca 1828, Chorley, Lancashire
John James Hull 20 b.ca 1861, Hindley, Lancashire, Coal Miners Drawer
Henry Hull 18 b.ca 1863, Hindley, Coal Miners Drawer
William Hull 12
Teresa Hull 15
Catherine Henrys 60 Boarder




If so ...... he is on the 1861 Census with Margaret, John J age 6 months and Alice age 6


I have not yet tried to find him on the 1871 ... where there must be a mis-translation.


Have you looked on at the International Genealogical Index on www.familysearch.org, the Mormon site? There are two William Hulls baptized at the Cathedral in Manchester, one in 1831 and one in 1832. Both are extracted recortds ........ as you probably know, we have to be very wary of SUBMITTED records.

The eldest child, Alice, was born in ca 1855 .... so it may be possible to find a marriage for William and Margaret on either the IGI or on www.freebmd.org.uk

Otherwise, you will have to buy the birth certificate for one of the children to find Margaret's maiden name. Unfortunately John James does not have the page # showing on freebmd

Births Dec 1860 (>99%)

HULL John James Wigan 8c __

You can get another version of the birth registraiton by going to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1860

HULL John James Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/23/296




Hope that gives you some ideas



sylvia

I know he was baptised in Manchester Cathedral on the 20 Nov 1831, thats as far as i can get....

His son's birth reg: (the number will need checking)

Births Dec 1860 (>99%)

HULL John James Wigan 8c __ Scan available - click to view

This will give you mum's maiden name - so you can find the marriage cert - so you can track down his father's name. It all seems a bit conjectural otherwise and you could so easily go off down the wrong tree.

Jill

I am trying to find his father and mother, where could i find the information, i need records prior to and including his year of birth. I have been doing this for years, i get all involved then come to a dead end and give up.... argghhh

Pure speculation based on birth of first child and location of family in 1861 - this could be totally wrong:

Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
Burrow John Lancaster 8e 688 Scan available - click to view
HORNBY Margaret Lancaster 8e 688 Scan available - click to view
HULL William Lancaster 8e 688 Scan available - click to view
STIRZAKER Margaret Lancaster 8e 688 Scan available - click to view

There are at least 3 possibilities for him on the 1851 (none say Denton) but without his father's name would be difficult to know which one he might be.

Jill

The only information i have is his name William and he was born in Denton in 1831.

What was his father's name? (I'm assuming you have his marriage cert ...)

Thanks Jean, I already have hat information, im looking for information regarding the previous generation before William. I am at a loss as to where to get information on him, all i know is he was born in Denton in 1831, where can i get info on his parents etc