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Hello Vivienne

I have looked at the Ellis Island web site to see if I can find William and Alice entering the USA around 1882 but they only have records AFTER 1892. So that is no good. I think I will try to get Ethel's birth certificate though as you suggest. I have found Alice on the 1871 census as you did and as I told you, I have a copy of her birth certificate. I will see if I can get a copy of her marriage certificate (with William) but I have never yet applied for birth and marriage certificates so must see if I can do that now on the internet.
Thank you for all your help. I will let you know if I make progress with William Davies.

Best wishes
Elizabeth. (I live in Switzerland but my family live in Cheltenham and I was born in Essex).

hello elizabeth
i have been unable to find alice and maud coming into GB prior to 1885 but i dont have worldwide subs to ancestry so it may be worth a try to ask for a passenger look up for
alice biggins/davies/davis going out to america and returning with maud
then maybe you could find william with her
but of course there is always the poss that they weren,t legally married and she came home saying they were married
ethel and or herberts birth certs may well be worth getting.
good luck and id love to know if you find him
vivienne

edit
i can not see alice on 1881 cesus but she was in england in 1871 per the census so the time frame your looking for passengers back and forth is
1871 to 1884/5 ish

You are amazing ! How fantastic that you have sent me all this info. I must now study it in detail.

Best wishes
Elizabeth

so therefore the 1901 census above is incorrect on both counts BUT the 1891 is correct for alice ,maud ,ethel and,herbert
the question marrks against nottingham are there because above it on the original image which has crossings out there are words that say
in the united states of america,this is written against alice and obviousley the census taker was having a bad day
ethel was born in nottinghamshire going on the following from 1901which is very clear on the original

Name: Maud Davis
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Female
Where born: NY

Civil Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members: Name Age
Ethel Davis 16
Hubert Davis 12
Maud Davis 19
Alice Sycamore 39
Arthur Sycamore 34
Arthur Syeamore 4
Leah Syeamore 6
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ehtel born derby notts
maud in new york
herbert in bow london
and alice in holborn
i see that alice has changed her year of birth which often happened when marrying a younger man but this is her birth record

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Births Dec 1856 (>99%)
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Biggins Alice Sarah Holborn 1b 436




please note the spelling of davies which goes also on her 1893 marrige to arthur sycamore


Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
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Davis Alice Biggins Hackney 1b 840

Sycamore Arthur Herbert Hackney 1b 840


i believe therefore that she may have married william in the usa as there is no record of it that i can find here

will have a look for them returning from the usa
vivienne

P.S. I only know about the possibility of William Henry Davies being born in Llanfaelog from my cousin. He certainly did have Welsh connections so this could be right. The same applies to his estimated birth day which my cousin gave me on the tree she had done.
Elizabeth

Dear Vivienne

Many thanks for the info. My grandmother was actually born in New York in 1883, her parents having gone over to the USA as her father was involved in doing the insurance for Brooklyn Bridge. She was not therefore born in Nottingham. Alice Biggins married 3 times, her first husband was William Davies, her second was Arthur Herbert Sycamore whom I think (information given to me by my cousin) she married on 9.10.1893, and her 3rd husband was Albert Ambrose. I am really concerned with her first husband William Davies who was my great-grandfather. My cousin thinks he was born in Llanfaelog, Anglesey but I am not 100% sure if that is correct.

Thank you.

Elizabeth

elizabeth
as Nia asked ,are you sure william was born in llanfaelog and circa1846/7
and if so how do you know this please
vivienne

looks like herbert in a franciscan convent?

Name: Herbert Davies
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Orphan
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Littlehampton
Ecclesiastical parish: Littlehampton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: East Preston
Sub registration district: Littlehampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24

cant find alice davies with or without william
vivienne

the nottingham is for mauds birth but prob misheard by the census taker.
Nia.. i cant find william with alice to verify anything but on the above in 1891 she says shes married.
1901
Name: Maud Davies
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Kentish Town, London, England

Civil Parish: Finchley
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Barnet
Sub registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Ethel Mabel Davies 14
Maud Davies 18
Emma Mary Stewardson 33
Walter James Stewardson 33

although this says s.i.l i have a sneaky suspision that it means stepsister?
vivienne

Are you sure William was born in Llanfaelog?

Dear Vivienne in Wales

Brilliant what you have sent me !! Yes, this is my grandmother, Maud Lillian Davies. She was born on June 21 , 1883 and I know she had a sister called Ethel Davies. I did not know of a brother called Herbert Davies. I had no idea where her mother Alice Biggins was born but I see " Nottingham" is with a ??. Did you get this info from a census ? I still would like to find out more about Alice's husband, William Henry Davies who must have died relatively young because Alice married 3 times in all.

Any more help. ?? Thank you so much.
Elizabeth

Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
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Davies Maud Lilian St. Olave 1d 285

is this your grandmothers birth?

and are these her brothers and sisters?

Name: Maud L Davies
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Alice S
Gender: Female
Where born: ??, Nottingham

Civil Parish: Stratford Le Bow St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice S Davies 36
Maud L Davies 7
Ethel M Davies 6
Herbert H Davies 2

vivienne

Many thanks for all the messages !! In answer to
Vivienne in Wales, I have a copy of my grandparents's marriage certificate which has William Henry Davies (commercial traveller) as her father. I also have a family tree from my cousin who has down Alice Sarah Biggins born 8.11.1856 in Holborn as my grandmother (Maud Lilian Davies)'s mother. I know this is the case. So William Henry Davies and Alice Biggins were married but like you I cannot find any birth certificate for W. Davies. I have a copy of Alice Biggins's birth certificate registered in Holborn. Can anyone find out any more about this William Henry Davies please ? I shall be very grateful for any info.
Elizabeth

wasn't being derogatory to the welsh - I have ancestors from S Wales.
I couldn't find a marriage etc either

Elizabeth
if you know alice sarah biggins married william henry davies then how do you know please?
There does not seem to be a marriage of alice sarah biggins to anyone at all on freebmd,not even with variations of biggins.
doesnt mean there isnt one but i cant see it.
Niether can i find a birth reg to fit william henry davies.
the welsh are very nice ,peculiar,people though
vivienne

I don't know about England - maybe we Welsh are just peculiar!!

sorry - never come across it as a female name before. Is it peculiar to the welsh or is it used in England as well

Sydney is also a female name!!

here appears to be a female missing from this page

Marriages Dec 1878
DAVIES William Henry Carnarvon 11b 767
Jones Robert Carnarvon 11b 767
Jones Sydney Carnarvon 11b 767
WILLIAMS Ellen Carnarvon 11b 767

No, I don't have the census for him . I know he married Alice Sarah Biggins but I don't know just when, probably in the 1870's or early 1880's. Any help would be much appreciated.

Elizabeth