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you have been so helpful thanks, i'm checking all this out so fingers crossed you've put me onto something!

Sorry but I can't find any link between Broadbent and Price!

I know that you are not persuaded that this is the correct family, but I would keep it on file until you can be 100% sure that it is not correct!!

To find out more about the father of Tom, who I believe to be Frederick Broadbent, you would have to buy the marriage cert. which will give you his age and profession and also his fathers name and profession. It will also confirm her fathers name.

The birth cert for Tom will also confirm parents names.

You can never be 100% sure about any findings without buying a couple of certificates, unfortunately.

There's a good chance that Frederick remarried, and had other children, so there's a possibility that Tom had half brothers and sisters that he never knew about. That's quite exciting, a whole new family that no one knew about!!!

Couldn't find Eleanor in 1871 census so looked for a death:-

Deaths Dec 1864 (>99%)
Broadbent Elleanor Thirsk 9d 243

which fits with the birth of Tom:-

Births Dec 1864 (>99%)
Broadbent Tom Thirsk 9d 340

so looks as though she died in child birth!!

Marriage for George and Hannah:-

GEORGE THWAITES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 08 AUG 1836 Topcliffe By Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
Spouse: HANNAH RAYNER

George and family in 1861:-
Name: George Thwaites
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Topcliffe
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Grocers Shop

Occupation: Grocer

Registration district: Thirsk
Sub registration district: Topcliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Christiana Thwaites 22
George Thwaites 45
Hannah Thwaites 50 born: Lofthouse, Yorkshire
John Thwaites 12 born: Topcliffe, Yorkshire


and in 1851:-
Name: George Thwaites
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Topcliffe
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Occupation: Ag. Labourer

Registration district: Thirsk
Sub registration district: Topcliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Thwaites 7
Christiana Thwaites 12
Elizabeth Thwaites 5
Ellenor Thwaites 14
George Thwaites 35
Hannah Thwaites 41
Jane Thwaites 10
John Thwaites 2

and here's Eleanor!!!!


and in 1841:-
Name: George Thwaites
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Topcliffe
Hundred: Birdforth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Occupation: Ag. Lab.

Registration district: Thirsk
Sub registration district: Topcliffe
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Thwaites 25
Hannah Thwaites 30
Eleanor Thwaites 4
Christiana Thwaites 2
Jane Thwaites 1

So if this is correct then George had a daughter who married someone called Broadbent:
This is the only marriage I could find that matches - female Thwaites married male Broadbent between 1850 and 1865, anywhere in England:-

Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
<<<Broadbent Frederick Thirsk 9d 757
Rudd John Thirsk 9d 757
<<<Thwaites Eleanor Thirsk 9d 757
WHITTAKER Ann Thirsk 9d 757

so did George have a daughter called Eleanor?

Just wanted to post this as it is the same person as in the other census records, and the only Tom Broadbent that I could find that was born in Topcliffe or had any connection with Topcliffe.

1871
Name: Tonne Brodbent
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Topcliffe, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Topcliffe
Town: Topcliffe
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Front Street

Registration district: Thirsk
Sub registration district: Topcliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Tonne Brodbent 6
Christiana Thwaites 32 born: Topcliffe, Yorkshire
(daughter) Assistant
George Thwaites 54 born: Ripon, Yorkshire
(Grocer)
Harry Thwaites 10 born: Bradford, Yorkshire
(nephew)
Jane Thwaites 30 born: Topcliffe, Yorkshire
(daughter) Assistant
Ann Whitaker 37 born: Topcliffe, Yorkshire
(cousin) Housemaid Domestic

If you think there's some connection with Jane Price, then this could be the birth for Hugh:-

Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
BROADBENT Hugh Price Kingston 2a 444
The district Kingston spans the boundaries of the counties of Middlesex and Surrey

so Surrey fits and it also means that he would not have been on the 1901 census.

yeah i already looked at that, but i don't think its the same person, as he definitly had a son called hugh

This looks like the same person in 1901, but, married to Elizabeth so maybe not the correct one?:-

Name: Tom Broadbent
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Tecliff, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: East Molesey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Occupation: Engineer Works Foreman

Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Esher
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Broadbent 41
(born: Eardisley, Herefordshire,)
Gwendoline Broadbent 4
(born: East Molesey, Surrey)
Henry Broadbent 9 (born: East Molesey, Surrey)
Mariel Broadbent 7 (born: East Molesey, Surrey)
Stewart Broadbent 11 (born: East Molesey, Surrey)
Tom Broadbent 36
Tom Broadbent 2 (born: East Molesey, Surrey)

Do any of the names look familiar?

This is the same person in 1891:-
Name: Tone Broadbent
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth J
Gender: Male
Where born: Thirsk, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: East Molesey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: East Molesey
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Civil Parish: East Molesey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: East Molesey
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Occupation: Machinist

Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Esher
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Tone Broadbent 26 - (name is Tom)
Elizabeth J Broadbent 30
George E S Broadbent 1

maybe you should keep on file, just in case!

The occupation in the census means that he was an apprentice to someone making agricultural machinery, so it actually fits quite well for a future engineer.
Most engineers went on to work with either trains or boats, but not all. The engineering field was very broad.
This one could still be worth following up.

This could be his birth record:-
Births Dec 1864 (>99%)
Broadbent Tom Thirsk 9d 340

as Thirsk is the registration district for Topcliffe!

i'm not sure, i think he went to work as an engineer when he was young, possibly at sea. i dont really have much info apart from what my grandpa can remember which is a bit sketchy thanks for your help though

Wonder if this is him in 1881:-

Name: Tom Broadbent
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Topcliff, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Kirkby Malzeard
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Kirkby Malzeard

Occupation: Ag Implement Makers Apprentice

Registration district: Ripon
Sub registration district: Kirkby Malzeard
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Tom Broadbent 16
William Ralph Wood 41

thanks

he was born 1870 ish

The only Thomas Broadbent born in N.Yorks in 19th century that I could find is this one:-

Births Jun 1866 (>99%)
Broadbent Thomas R Scarbro' 9d 334

Can you at least say if we are talking about 19th or the 20th century?

i'd say he was born around 1870, but not sure of exact year