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Catherine
You are an angel in disguise.

Thanks a million for all your look ups on this one
Meriel

and in 1881:-
Name: Estha Duckworth
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter in Law
Spouse's Name: Chas.
Gender: Female
Where born: Soughton, Flintshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Hawarden
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Nr Ferry Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Chester
Sub registration district: Hawarden
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

Chas. Duckworth 27 - Coal Miner
born: Ewloe Wood, Flintshire
Estha Duckworth 24
Jane Messham 56 -Widow
born: Ewloe Wood, Flintshire

Just had to find out if marriage for Esther and connection with Grandson James was correct so checked 1891 census and found this:-

Name: Esther Duckworth
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Northop, Flintshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Mold
Ecclesiastical parish: Bistre
Town: Argoed
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Holywell
Sub registration district: Mold
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Duckworth 34 born: Hawarden, Flintshire
Esther Duckworth 35
James Duckworth 18 - Coal Miner

so it looks like mystery solved!!!
I can sleep tonight!!

Search Records - 1861 Census (England and Wales)
1861 Census record for Thomas Burrows «Back to results
Name THOMAS BURROWS
Age 50
Estimated Year of Birth 1811
Relationship to Head of Household HEAD
Occupation FARMER OF 19 ACRES
Address Mais Yard Graig
District Holywell, Flint
Parish
Administrative County Flintshire
Birth Place Chester
Birth County CHESHIRE
IN HOUSE
ELIZABETH WIE 46
MARIA 11
PETER 9

Hi Meriel,
There is a Warren in Cheshire too!

The handwriting from those days is not always easy to read for us so lots of mistakes were made. I always check the original if I find something that I think may be correct and try and work out what it says.

Glad to have helped, hope the rest of your research goes well.
Regards
Catherine

Possible marriage for John:-
Marriages Dec 1869 (>99%)
BURROWS John Holywell 11b 441
ROBERTS Anne Holywell 11b 441

two possible for Thomas

taking it that they stayed in the area, and all to be confirmed of course.

Oh!!! Wonder if that is were the Ducker comes in?
Esther Burrows - Charles Duckworth ??????????

Was checking marriages and the marriage for Maria may well be a red herring as I found this one:-

Marriages Dec 1868 (>99%)
Burrows Maria Holywell 11b 474
DAVIDSON James Holywell 11b 474
Evans Charlotte Holywell 11b 474
Hughes Richard Holywell 11b 474

and possible marriage for Esther:-

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
<<<Burrows Esther Holywell 11b 434
DAVIES John Holywell 11b 434
<<<Duckworth Charles Holywell 11b 434
THOMAS Frances Holywell 11b 434

This is for Diddydoris
Thank you for your help, I jhave just come back to GR and Catherine has also searched for me. She has picked up on the right Thomas for me. Thank you for taking your time to search
Thanks again
Meriel

Catherine
Been out and have just come back onto Gr.

The info that you have looks like it is rigt. It matches up with what I have for the 1881 Census.

What confused me was where Thomas came from. think maybe that Warra could be Wirral, Cheshire, which would then make sense.

Catrine (1837 ) and Peter(1855) were both born in Northop, Flinthshire.
It seem s that when the Census's have been transcribed it looks like the information has been hard to decipher.
I have Catrine's husband details already and this was making me wonder if I was wrong somewhere, but by what you have found, it the the right track to follow

Thank you very much
Meriel

This birth would fit the marriage with G H Dacre:-

Births Jun 1873 (>99%)
DACRE James Leeds 9b 554

This is not at all sure of course as 1881 census image does show Ducker, but can find no marriage Burrows - Ducker or birth for James Ducker between 1872 and 1874 in Flintshire??

A possible connection for Grandson James "Ducker"

Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
<<<Burrows Maria Bradford 9b 313
<<<Dacre George Henry Bradford 9b 313
or
<<<DAKIN Thomas Hunslet 9b 313
DICKINSON John William Bradford Yorks 9b 313
Hodgson Dora Bradford Y. 9b 313

needs checking on census records!

Possible marriage for Margaret:-

Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%)
Brown Thomas Presteigne 11b 534
<<<Burrows Margaret Holywell 11b 534
<<<Rogers Samuel Holywell 11b 534

so looks like Margaret is the mother of Robert Rogers.

1861:-
Name: Thomas Browns
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish or Township: Northop and Soughton
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Mais y Gryg (Same Address)

Occupation: Farmer

Registration district: Holywell
Sub registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Browns 50
Elizabeth Browns 46
Manring Browns 11 (this would be Maria)
Peter Browns 9
Esther Browns 4

Think this is them in 1841:-

Name: Thomas Borrows
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Northop
Hundred: Coleshill
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Dyrnas Goch
Occupation: Farmer

Registration district: Holywell
Sub registration district: Flint
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Name
Thomas Borrows 30 (not born in Wales)
Elisabth Borrows 25
Margred Borrows 6
Thomas Borrows 5
Cathrin Borrows 3
Eliza Borrows 1

This could be them in 1851:-

Name: Thomas Barrows
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton, Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Loughton
Ecclesiastical parish: Northop
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Maes y Gryg

Occupation: Farmer

Registration district: Holywell
Sub registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Barrows 40
Elizabeth Barrows 36 born: Northop, Flintshire
Thomas Barrows 14 born: Northop, Flintshire
Catherine Barrows 12 born: Northop, Flintshire
Eliza Barrows 16 born: Northop, Flintshire
John Barrows 5 born: Northop, Flintshire
Maria Barrows 12 Mo born: Northop, Flintshire

Having trouble finding them in 1861, which is the one you want to link everything together, but, address is the same so must be the same family!!!

1871:-
Name: Thomas Burrous
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Sutton; Chester
Civil Parish: Soughton
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Mais y Gryg

Occupation: Ag.Lab and Farmer

Registration district: Holywell
Sub registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Burrous 63
Elizabeth Burrous 59 born: Maes Y Gryg, Flintshire
Esther Burrous 14 born: Maes Y Gryg, Flintshire
Robt Rogers 4

I presume this is the 1881 census:-

Name: Thomas Burrows
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Warra, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Northop - Soughton
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Maes Y Grig
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Land Dranner

Registration district: Holywell
Sub registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Burrows 67 born: Northop, Flintshire
Peter Burrows 26 born: Northop, Flintshire
Thomas Burrows 72
James Ducker 8 born: Northop, Flintshire
Robert Rogers 15 born: Wrexham, Denbighshire

Meriel,
When and where were Catrine and Peter born?

About 1841 Wales Census
This database contains an every name index to the 1841 Wales Census with links to images of the original census returns. Information available in this database includes: name, age, estimated birth year, relationship to head of household.

For more information about this database, click here.

The 1841 Census for Wales was taken on the night of 6 June 1841. The following information was requested:

* Name of street, place, road, etc.
* House number or name
* Name of each person that had spent the night in that household
* Age*
* Sex (indicated by which column the age is recorded in)
* Profession or occupation
* Where born**

*The ages of people over 15 years old were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 years. Therefore, someone who was actually 24 years would have their age listed as 20, and someone who was actually 27 years old would have their age listed as 25.

**The "Where Born" column only asked two questions - 1) whether born in same county, and 2) whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts. Possible answers and abbreviations to question #1 include: Yes (Y), No, (N), or Not Known (NK). For question #2, the following abbreviations were used: Scotland (S), Ireland (I), and Foreign Parts (F).