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Hi, a few weeks ago I posted a request for look ups for the following family (taken from 1861 census):

1861 census
3 Albion St., Rotherhithe, Surrey
John Cook, head, 38, master mariner M service, born Essex, Romford
Elizabeth, wife, 39, born Yorks, Doncaster
George H., son, 12, born Yorks, Goole
*Thomas, son, 11, born Goole
Priscilla, dau, 9, born Goole
Ann E., dau, 7, born Rotherhithe
Lydia, dau, 5, born Rotherhithe
Louisa, dau, 1, born Rotherhithe

I also had the following information from Gwen, the father's name maes sense but she seems rather older than the 1861 census implies (although I wouldn't be surprised if she had been fibbing slightly!):

' hi helen,
found this on the igi could be your elizabeth.........
christening.....1st feb 1815 elizabeth guest doncaster,yorkshire
parents....john guest & Ann.'

I have now received John and Elizabeth's marriage cert showing the following information:

Married 24/04/1845 in Hook, Goole. Names John Cook and Elizabeth Guest, both single, of full age, and resident in Goole. John was a mariner, no occuption for Elizabeth. Parents John Cook, joiner and John Guest, mariner.

So...does this new information help to find them on the 1841 or 1851 censuses please?

Many thanks for any information!

Helen

the only John Guest who was a Mariner in 1841

1841 England Census
about John Guest
Name: John Guest
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Snaith
Hundred: Osgoldcross (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:Old Goole,Goole

Occupation: Mariner

Registration district: Goole
Sub registration district: Goole
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Guest 40
Mary Guest 35
Mary Guest 15
William Guest 10
Emma Guest 7
Ann Guest 9 Mo

Hmm, thank you. A possibility but Elizabeth appears to be missing, I suppose she could have been elsewhere at census time (especially as we aren't certain of her age!) and, even if that IGI record from 1815 is correct John could have always remarried a Mary...Is there any record for him in 1851?

I can't find him in 1851.
Have found this

1841
Elizabeth Guest 19 House Servant born Doncaster address Hall Gate Doncaster.
Servant to William and Jane Smith

Name: Elizabeth Guest
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Snaith
Hundred: Osgoldcross (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Goole
Sub registration district: Goole
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Marshall 35
Elizabeth Marshall 12
William Marshall 7
Henry Marshall 5
Elizabeth Guest 20

don't know if this one is her???
a servant to the Marshall family
in 1841

Christine

Name: John Guest
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Rotherham
Town: Rotherham
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub registration district: Beighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Blackburn 22
Emma Guest 19
George Guest 14
John Guest 53
John Guest 17

could be John in 1851 - but he's an ostler

Christine

do the witness names on the marriage cert mean anything to you?

might be worth trying to tie them in if poss?

Christine

Do you have an address for elizabeth when she married?she may have been there in 41

Thank you both! I think it's likely that Elizabeth was in service then but I suppose either of those results could be possible. Thanks for the 1851 for John Guest, Christine. Possible given the daughter Emma (same as 1841 although the other children don't tie up) and I suppose that he could have changed occupation, maybe he felt too old for marinering!

The witnesses are William Tasker (not certain of first letter of surname) who means nothing to me but the other is Mary Guest (maybe a sister - such as in the 1841 census!).

Unfortunately it just says 'Goole' on the marriage cert and they were married in Hook...

no Tasker/Guest or Tasker/Cook marriages that fit!

Christine :((

Shame...thought we might have been on to something there...

I've just found a death for a John Guest in Goole (free BMD) in Sept 1841, maybe he was dead by the time of the marriage and they just hadn't recorded the fact on the cert?

very possible!

they didn't always mention that the father was deceased

Happy hunting

Christine

Cheers Christine, might have to order the cert!

Many thanks to everyone for the Guest information, I think I have some new details to work on.

Can anyone help with the Cook line at all please, although it is possible he might have been at sea in 1841 and 1851 (although he was presumably around in March 1851 as he had a son born nine months later!) ?

Hi, could anyone please check IGI for the Cooks if the censuses are proving difficult to locate (I can't access it on my PC at the mo)? I see that there are some deaths for John Cooks in Romford on free BMD so John Cook senior may have also been dead by the time of the marriage.

I can't find him in 1841 or 51 sorry

Thanks for checking Samspade...I was wondering whether there was any connection with the Cookes of Gidea Hall (Romford) so rather hoped we might be able to get a bit further back on this line. Oh well!

Thank you very much for your help.

Helen

hi helen,
found this for you...1841 census....
john cooke born essex abt 1824 age 17
john cooke born essex abt 1791 age 50
elizabeth cooke born essex abt 1765 age 76
sarah cooke born essex abt 1825 age 15
civil parish:peldon
county:essex
reg dis:lexden and winstre
s. r .d:peldon
HOIO7 P/342 F/8
hope this helps,
gwen x

here is 1851 for above john is a carpenter (joiner)
H0107 P/1782 F/270

Aha, could be promising Gwen, thank you very much! Will get on Streetmap to see where Peldon is...

It's near Colchester...bit far from Romford but possible John junior was born there and the family then moved. Are you able to provide the details for 1851 please?

Many thanks Gwen!