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Thanks so much for your help Christine - really appreciate it.
Kind regards
Gill

He's just down as a visitor - no relationship noted.
address is 'centre of town' Alton

I've tried googling Wesleyan Colleges, Staffordshire
& Theological Colleges Staffordshire

Nothing yet!

That's it I'm afraid - but would be a good idea to purchase that marriage cert from gro.gov - they cost £7 - well worth it!
His father's name & occupation should be on it

Christine

wow.....how on earth did you manage to find that?
If it says Weslyan Student - I would think it more than likely that you have found the right Joseph.
Does it give a full address?? or any other info?
what was the relationship /occupations of the Collis & Follows family please.
( last question.......i promise)
Gill

Name: Joseph Workman
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol

Civil Parish: Alton
Town: Alton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Cheadle
Sub registration district: Alton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Collis 42
Emma Collis 45
Susanna Collis 79
Susanna Mary Collis 11
William Collis 15
Elizabeth Ann Follows 14
Emma Follows 10
Louisa F Follows 12
Joseph Workman 20

this may be a possibility.....
actual image looks like 'wesleyan' student
the wesleyan has been crossed through!
The place of birth is given as Bristol - but Bristol & Gloucester were more 'together' then I think!

Christine

have checked all 12 pages of 1861 census for Sampford Brett, Somerset which is where Mary was in 1861
no joy!!

Still trying!

Christine

That confirms the Somerset connection - thank you.

so, he didnt marry until 1865 - where on earth was he in 1861???
I know now that the first two of their children were born in Crewe Cheshre ( as a minister, he got around a bit)!

Gill

Name: Joseph Workman
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Williton
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 541 (click to see others on page)

took another look at the 1871 census
it shows that Joseph's wife came from Williton, Somerset -
this is the only marriage I can find - but the spouse facility is missing
It is possible that they married in Mary's home town

Christine

I have this:
Marriages Mar 1860
Baldwin Mary Ann Gloucester 6a 334
Workman Joseph Gloucester 6a 334
I wonder if this could be Joseph's marriage to Mary?

This is more probable:
Marriage:
Joseph Workman 1865 Williton Somerset
JAS 5c 541
Hosegood Mary Williton 5c 541

I know that Joseph lived in Somerset for quite a while.

Thanks Chritine - appreciate your help.
Have tried to make contact, but they are not connected unfortunately.

If I can find Joseph in 1861 - it may help to tie him in as THE Joseph that we have found in the earlier census ( so that I know that I really do have the correct family ) ............Im a little concerned that it may be the wrong family in 1841 & 51 & 61 as MY Joseph - who became a Weslyan Minister , seems to have had a dad who was a Brewer of Beer???

I dont have access to Ancestry Im afraid, so cant even look in 1861. Hence, all help really is appreciated.
Gill x

if you look at the 'search trees' option at the top of this page -
there are a couple for Joseph Workman b.Gloucester
may be worthwhile contacting them to see if they have connections.

Christine

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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Joseph Workman Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth: 28 SEP 1837 Dursley, Gloucester, England

Christening:
Death: About 1924

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Charles Workman Family
Mother: Sarah Cook


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Marriages:
Spouse: Unavailable Family


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Messages:
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband.


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Source Information:
Film Number: 184296
Page Number: 460
Reference number: 10559

this is on IGI -
but has been submitted by a researcher -
don't know if you can find out who submitted it??

Christine

Still need to find where Joseph was in 1861
Can anyone help please?

This is him later:

1871 census
Joseph Workman age 33 Wesleyen Minister
Mary age 33
Blache age 1
Edith age 3
Marye E age 4
living Wesleyen Chapel Chorley


1881 Census: In South Petherton, Somerset
Joseph WORKMAN Head M Male 43 Dursley, Gloucester, England Wesleyn Minister
Mary WORKMAN Wife M Female 43 Williton, Somerset, England
Edith WORKMAN Daur Female 13 Crewe, Cheshire, England Scholar
Blanche WORKMAN Daur Female 11 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alice Maud WORKMAN Daur Female 9 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Joseph WORKMAN Son Male 7 Mold, Flint, Wales Scholar
Henrietta GRANGER Serv U Female 26 Sth Petherton, Somerset, England General Servant Domestic
Dwelling Palmer Street
Census Place South Petherton, Somerset, England
Family History Library Film 1341575
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2390 / 48 Page Number 1

1891 Census :
WORKMAN, Joseph Head Widower M 53 1838 Retired Wesleyan Minister Dursley Gloucs
WORKMAN, Mary E Daughter Single F 24 1867
Crewe Cheshire VIEW
WORKMAN, Edith J Daughter Single F 23 1868
Crewe Cheshire VIEW
WORKMAN, Joseph Son M 17 1874 Dental Student Mold Flintshire VIEW
ARLIDGE, Emma Servant Single F 26 1865 Domestic Servant Banbury Oxfordshire VIEW number: RG12 Piece: 1921 Folio: 67 Page: 65
Registration District: Axbridge Sub District:
Weston Super Mare EnumerationDistrict:
16 Ecclesiastical Parish: Christchurch
Civil Parish:
Weston Super Mare Municipal Borough:
Address:
Elmsley, Boulevard, Weston Super Mare County:
Somersetshire
living 417 Elmsley Western Super Mare

Joseph had aprox 25 'ministry's' during his time as a minister - hence the children were born at various locations around the country.

Yes, could be I suppose. Is anyone living with her?

I am not 100% sure that Joseph Workman - the minister - IS the Joseph Workman - son of' Charles Workman, Brewer & his family that we have found in
1871 & 1881.
I need to find a true connection between them all
( without having to buy all the certs)

Sometime you can spot a mother or father in law or an address or something to really tie people together.

Many thanks for helping
Gill

can't find Joseph at all in the 1861 -
wonder if he went abroad early in his ministry career??

Christine

Name: Sarah Workman
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Dursley
Town: Dursley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Dursley
Sub registration district: Dursley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Workman 60

1861 - Sarah still in Parsonage Street
still says married and a 'brewers wife'

maybe they just decided to live apart??
Christine

Many thanks Christine - wonder where Sarah is?
and Joseph.................

Name: Sarah Workman
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Dursley
Town: Dursley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Dursley
Sub registration district: Wotton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Lewis 7
Sarah Workman 50

1851 - this says that Sarah is a 'brewers wife'
Eliza Lewis is a visitor
address is Parsonage Street, Dursley

Christine

1851 - Mary Shipton - housekeeper - unmarried
says Charles is married

1861 - Mary Shipton - housekeeper servant - unm
Eliza Merrett - servant - unmarried

will look for Sarah & Joseph

Christine

In 1861, who is: ( what is there relationship )?
Eliza Merrett 20
Mary Shipton 34

Thanks christine
What relationship is Mary Shipton? and I notice no wife for Charles is he a widower in 1851?
Gill