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1851/ 1861/ census help required please:
I am trying to find out about Joseph Workma n- Born Dursley c1867.
I believe that this MAY be him in 1841: ( can someone take a look at the census and tell me the relationships & any other info please)

1841 Census:
Joseph Workman Age: 4 Est Birth Year: abt 1837
Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil Parish: Dursley
Hundred: Berkeley (Upper Division)
County/Island: Gloucestershire Street address: Silver Street
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Grimes 45
Alfred Workman 8
Charles Workman 40
Edward Workman 10
Elizabeth Workman 20
George Workman 8
Henry Workman 15
James Workman 3 Mo
John Workman 18
Joseph Workman 4
Mary Workman 6
Rufus Workman 12
Sarah Workman 40
Sarah Workman 2
Charles was a brewer/maltster .


This is definately MY Joseph in 1871 & 1881:
( can someone please take a look to find him in 1851 & 1861)

1871 census
Joseph Workman age 33 Wesleyen Minister
Mary age 33
Blache age 1
Edith age 3
Marye E age 4
living Wesleyen Chapel Chorley


1881 Census: In South Petherton, Somerset
Joseph WORKMAN Head M Male 43 Dursley, Gloucester, England Wesleyn Minister
Mary WORKMAN Wife M Female 43 Williton, Somerset, England
Edith WORKMAN Daur Female 13 Crewe, Cheshire, England Scholar
Blanche WORKMAN Daur Female 11 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alice Maud WORKMAN Daur Female 9 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Joseph WORKMAN Son Male 7 Mold, Flint, Wales Scholar
Henrietta GRANGER Serv U Female 26 Sth Petherton, Somerset, England General Servant Domestic
Dwelling Palmer Street
Census Place South Petherton, Somerset, England
Family History Library Film 1341575
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2390 / 48 Page Number 1

1891 Census :
WORKMAN, Joseph Head Widower M 53 1838 Retired Wesleyan Minister Dursley Gloucs
WORKMAN, Mary E Daughter Single F 24 1867
Crewe Cheshire VIEW
WORKMAN, Edith J Daughter Single F 23 1868
Crewe Cheshire VIEW
WORKMAN, Joseph Son M 17 1874 Dental Student Mold Flintshire VIEW
ARLIDGE, Emma Servant Single F 26 1865 Domestic Servant Banbury Oxfordshire VIEW number: RG12 Piece: 1921 Folio: 67 Page: 65
Registration District: Axbridge Sub District:
Weston Super Mare EnumerationDistrict:
16 Ecclesiastical Parish: Christchurch
Civil Parish:
Weston Super Mare Municipal Borough:
Address:
Elmsley, Boulevard, Weston Super Mare County:
Somersetshire
living 417 Elmsley Western Super Mare

Joseph had aprox 25 'ministry's' during his time as a minister - hence the children were born at various locations around the country.

Thanks for your help

Name: Joseph Workman
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Dursley
Town: Dursley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Dursley
Sub registration district: Wotton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Shipton 25
Alfred Workman 17
Charles Workman 53
James Workman 10
Jane Workman 8
Joseph Workman 13
Mary Ann Workman 15
Sarah Workman 11

1851 - address is Silver Street, Dursley
Charles is a 'brewer'
Christine

Name: Charles Workman
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingstanley, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Dursley
Town: Dursley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Dursley
Sub registration district: Dursley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 120
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Merrett 20
Mary Shipton 34
Charles Workman 63
James Workman 19
Jane Workman 17

same family in 1861 - Joseph not with them
address is Snooks Hill, Dursley
Charles is a 'brewer & maltster'
says that he's married but wife not there

Christine

Thanks christine
What relationship is Mary Shipton? and I notice no wife for Charles is he a widower in 1851?
Gill

In 1861, who is: ( what is there relationship )?
Eliza Merrett 20
Mary Shipton 34

1851 - Mary Shipton - housekeeper - unmarried
says Charles is married

1861 - Mary Shipton - housekeeper servant - unm
Eliza Merrett - servant - unmarried

will look for Sarah & Joseph

Christine

Name: Sarah Workman
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Dursley
Town: Dursley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Dursley
Sub registration district: Wotton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Lewis 7
Sarah Workman 50

1851 - this says that Sarah is a 'brewers wife'
Eliza Lewis is a visitor
address is Parsonage Street, Dursley

Christine

Many thanks Christine - wonder where Sarah is?
and Joseph.................

Name: Sarah Workman
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Dursley
Town: Dursley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Dursley
Sub registration district: Dursley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Workman 60

1861 - Sarah still in Parsonage Street
still says married and a 'brewers wife'

maybe they just decided to live apart??
Christine

can't find Joseph at all in the 1861 -
wonder if he went abroad early in his ministry career??

Christine

Yes, could be I suppose. Is anyone living with her?

I am not 100% sure that Joseph Workman - the minister - IS the Joseph Workman - son of' Charles Workman, Brewer & his family that we have found in
1871 & 1881.
I need to find a true connection between them all
( without having to buy all the certs)

Sometime you can spot a mother or father in law or an address or something to really tie people together.

Many thanks for helping
Gill

Still need to find where Joseph was in 1861
Can anyone help please?

This is him later:

1871 census
Joseph Workman age 33 Wesleyen Minister
Mary age 33
Blache age 1
Edith age 3
Marye E age 4
living Wesleyen Chapel Chorley


1881 Census: In South Petherton, Somerset
Joseph WORKMAN Head M Male 43 Dursley, Gloucester, England Wesleyn Minister
Mary WORKMAN Wife M Female 43 Williton, Somerset, England
Edith WORKMAN Daur Female 13 Crewe, Cheshire, England Scholar
Blanche WORKMAN Daur Female 11 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alice Maud WORKMAN Daur Female 9 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Joseph WORKMAN Son Male 7 Mold, Flint, Wales Scholar
Henrietta GRANGER Serv U Female 26 Sth Petherton, Somerset, England General Servant Domestic
Dwelling Palmer Street
Census Place South Petherton, Somerset, England
Family History Library Film 1341575
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2390 / 48 Page Number 1

1891 Census :
WORKMAN, Joseph Head Widower M 53 1838 Retired Wesleyan Minister Dursley Gloucs
WORKMAN, Mary E Daughter Single F 24 1867
Crewe Cheshire VIEW
WORKMAN, Edith J Daughter Single F 23 1868
Crewe Cheshire VIEW
WORKMAN, Joseph Son M 17 1874 Dental Student Mold Flintshire VIEW
ARLIDGE, Emma Servant Single F 26 1865 Domestic Servant Banbury Oxfordshire VIEW number: RG12 Piece: 1921 Folio: 67 Page: 65
Registration District: Axbridge Sub District:
Weston Super Mare EnumerationDistrict:
16 Ecclesiastical Parish: Christchurch
Civil Parish:
Weston Super Mare Municipal Borough:
Address:
Elmsley, Boulevard, Weston Super Mare County:
Somersetshire
living 417 Elmsley Western Super Mare

Joseph had aprox 25 'ministry's' during his time as a minister - hence the children were born at various locations around the country.

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Joseph Workman Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth: 28 SEP 1837 Dursley, Gloucester, England

Christening:
Death: About 1924

Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Charles Workman Family
Mother: Sarah Cook


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Marriages:
Spouse: Unavailable Family


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Messages:
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband.


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Source Information:
Film Number: 184296
Page Number: 460
Reference number: 10559

this is on IGI -
but has been submitted by a researcher -
don't know if you can find out who submitted it??

Christine

if you look at the 'search trees' option at the top of this page -
there are a couple for Joseph Workman b.Gloucester
may be worthwhile contacting them to see if they have connections.

Christine

Thanks Chritine - appreciate your help.
Have tried to make contact, but they are not connected unfortunately.

If I can find Joseph in 1861 - it may help to tie him in as THE Joseph that we have found in the earlier census ( so that I know that I really do have the correct family ) ............Im a little concerned that it may be the wrong family in 1841 & 51 & 61 as MY Joseph - who became a Weslyan Minister , seems to have had a dad who was a Brewer of Beer???

I dont have access to Ancestry Im afraid, so cant even look in 1861. Hence, all help really is appreciated.
Gill x

I have this:
Marriages Mar 1860
Baldwin Mary Ann Gloucester 6a 334
Workman Joseph Gloucester 6a 334
I wonder if this could be Joseph's marriage to Mary?

This is more probable:
Marriage:
Joseph Workman 1865 Williton Somerset
JAS 5c 541
Hosegood Mary Williton 5c 541

I know that Joseph lived in Somerset for quite a while.

Name: Joseph Workman
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Williton
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 541 (click to see others on page)

took another look at the 1871 census
it shows that Joseph's wife came from Williton, Somerset -
this is the only marriage I can find - but the spouse facility is missing
It is possible that they married in Mary's home town

Christine

That confirms the Somerset connection - thank you.

so, he didnt marry until 1865 - where on earth was he in 1861???
I know now that the first two of their children were born in Crewe Cheshre ( as a minister, he got around a bit)!

Gill

have checked all 12 pages of 1861 census for Sampford Brett, Somerset which is where Mary was in 1861
no joy!!

Still trying!

Christine

Name: Joseph Workman
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol

Civil Parish: Alton
Town: Alton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Cheadle
Sub registration district: Alton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Collis 42
Emma Collis 45
Susanna Collis 79
Susanna Mary Collis 11
William Collis 15
Elizabeth Ann Follows 14
Emma Follows 10
Louisa F Follows 12
Joseph Workman 20

this may be a possibility.....
actual image looks like 'wesleyan' student
the wesleyan has been crossed through!
The place of birth is given as Bristol - but Bristol & Gloucester were more 'together' then I think!

Christine