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Hi can anyone help please with any parish records for Camborne area Cornwall. The 1841 census shows Jane Symons age 20 living with her mother Patience, but no mention of her father - I am looking for Patience maiden name and her husbands (Jane;s father) christian name and any date of their marriage.

Any info will be much appreciated.
Thank you Elaine !!

1881 census

Patience SIMONS Head W Female 65 St Agnes, Cornwall, England Charwoman


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Source Information:
Dwelling 20 Stray Park Lane
Census Place Camborne, Cornwall, England
Family History Library Film 1341561
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2334 / 70
Page Number 27

1881 census


Joseph DOWRING Head M Male 53 St Stephens Lanson, Cornwall, England Farmer 32 Acres Emply 1 Man
Mary DOWRING Wife M Female 50 St Stephens Saltash, Cornwall, England Farmers Wife
Elizabeth DOWRING Daur U Female 23 St Stephens Saltash, Cornwall, England Farmers Daur
Thomas HOARE Nephew M Male 35 St Stephens Saltash, Cornwall, England Employed On The Farm
Emma HOARE Niece M Female 26 Northill, Cornwall, England Wife
Thomas HOARE Nephew U Male 5 Northill, Cornwall, England Son
Ethel HOARE Niece U Female 6 w St Stephens, Cornwall, England Daur
William ROSEVEAR Serv U Male 15 St Stephens, Cornwall, England Farm Serv
Jane SYMONS Serv U Female 15 Launceston, Cornwall, England Generl Serv Domestic


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Source Information:
Dwelling Broadmoor West Farm
Census Place St Stephens By Saltash, Cornwall, England
Family History Library Film 1341548
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2282 / 166
Page Number 21

Hi Ann
Thanks but she is to late she is shown about 38 on the 1841 census so this Patience would have been born around 1803

Is this your Patience and daughte Jane??


For reference purposes

1841 Census

Name: Jane Symons
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Camborne
Hundred: Penwith
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Redruth
Sub registration district: Camborne
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Patience Symons 45 b.ca 1796, Cornwall, Independent Means
Jane Symons 20
Margaretta Symons 15 Milliner
Augusta Symons 15 Milliner
Thomas Symons 13 Scholar

Address:- Vynyan (???sp.) Row


sylvia

IF that is your family, then this might also be Patience on the 1851 with husband



1851 Census

Name: Patience Symons
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Oliver
Gender: Female
Where born: St Earth, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Camborne
Ecclesiastical parish: Camborne
Town: Camborne
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Redruth
Sub registration district: Camborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members: Name Age
Hanibal Nicholas 8 b.ca 1843, Camborne, Grandson, Scholar
Augusta Symons 24 b.ca 1827, Crowen, Cornwall, Dressmaker, Deaf
Margaret Symons 26 b.ca 1825, Crowan, Shop Assistant
Oliver Symons 58 b.ca 1793, Crowan, Copper Miner
Patience Symons 59
Thomas Symons 22 b.ca 1829, St Agnes, Joiner

Address:- Vyvyan Street


sylvia

?????????????


Hannibal's birth registration

Births Dec 1842 (99%)

NICHOLAS Hanibal Redruth 9 229


???????

Marriage registration

Marriages Sep 1842 (>99%)

ALLEN Harriett Redruth 9 283
DUNSTAN Elizabeth Redruth 9 283
>>>>NICHOLAS Frederick Redruth 9 283
PHILLIPS William Redruth 9 283
SPARGO Ann Redruth 9 283
>>>>SYMONS Jane Redruth 9 283
TREVELYAN John Redruth 9 283
WARNE John Sibby Redruth 9 283


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1851 Census

Name: Jane Nicholas
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick
Gender: Female
Where born: Crowan, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Phillack
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Redruth
Sub registration district: Camborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 3d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 167
Household Members: Name Age
Augusta Nicholas 10 Mo
Frederick Nicholas 27
Frederick Nicholas 6
Jane Nicholas 30
Oliver Nicholas 4
Thomas Nicholas 2
William Trounce 11





is this your jane???????



sylvia

??????????????????????????


looks like Oliver might have been married twice ...... and Patience is NOT Jane's mother!



from the International Genealogical Index on www.familysearch.org .. the Mormon site. These are EXTRACTED records, taken from the actual parish registers. Do please be very careful about SUBMITTED records on thsi site, these have been sent in (submitted) by church fauthful, and do not have any backing documentation.



OLIVER SYMONS Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: PETERNELL KING Family
Marriage: 28 APR 1813 Crowan, Cornwall, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M022262 1674 - 1687 0090243 Film 6904601 Film

M022262 1691 - 1754 0246797 Film NONE

M022262 1754 - 1854 0246799 Film NONE

M022262 1854 - 1856 0246800 Film NONE

M022262 1854 - 1875 0246800 Film NONE


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Then there is this one ........... far too young of course, but could he be related?????


OLIVER SYMONS Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: OLIVER SYMONS Family

Marriages:
Spouse: PRUDENCE GRIBBIN Family
Marriage: 16 JUN 1838 Madron, Cornwall, England

Husband Age at Marriage: 24
Wife Age at Marriage: 21
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M001691 1577 - 1678 0236552 Film 0541764 Film

M001691 1581 - 1695 0090257 Film NONE

M001691 1700 - 1754 0254189 Film NONE

M001691 1754 - 1812 0254192 Film NONE

M001691 1813 - 1837 0962269 IT 1 Film NONE

M001691 1837 - 1863 0254193 Film NONE

M001691 1863 - 1876 0254194 Film NONE


Sheet: 00




sylvia

I may of course be completely out in left field!!!!



sylvia

Hi Silvia
thanks for the information I have now found that Jane's parents were Patience and Oliver Symons (the Oliver info you forwarded is a relative) I am now trying to find a record of her parents marriage - any help?
regards Elaine

I have to say Sylvia - you are brilliant!!

Thanks Ann!
xxx

It just all fell into place ..... you know how it sometimes does??


sylvia

Elaine

I didn't find a marriage for the right time period for an Oliver and a Patience ....... I did find the Oliver and Peternell.

That's why I suggested that Patience might be a second wife and NOT the children's mother.

It was in trying to find a marriage for Oliver and Patience, that I found the one for the younger Oliver.



You will have to try to find parish registers for the baptism of the children to see if the mother is named.



sylvia

Here you are ...... baptism record of Augusta from www.familysearch.org ..... the web site I gave you above.

It's free so you can go looking yourself.

Just be very wary of SUBMITTED records, as they ahve no backing documentation.

This does say parents Oliver andPatience, so may be my finding of a marriage between liver and Peternell is wrong

AUGUSTA SYMONS Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 SEP 1824 Crowan, Cornwall, England

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: OLIVER SYMONS Family
Mother: PATIENCE

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C022261 1795 - 1812 0246797 Film 6904600 Film

C022261 1813 - 1869 0246798 Film 6904600 Film


sylvia

????????? Oliver's baptism


OLIVER SYMONS Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 JUL 1813 Crowan, Cornwall, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: OLIVER SYMONS Family
Mother: PETERNELL

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


sylvia

Children of Oliver and Peternell Symons, from baptism record on familysearch


1. OLIVER SYMONS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 JUL 1813 Crowan, Cornwall, England

2. THOMAS SYMONS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 JUL 1817 Crowan, Cornwall, England

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children of Oliver and Patience Symons, from familysearch


1. MARGARET SYMONS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 APR 1822 Crowan, Cornwall, England

2. JOHN SYMONS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 JUN 1815 Crowan, Cornwall, England

3. AUGUSTA SYMONS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 SEP 1824 Crowan, Cornwall, England




I note that John Symons, son of Oliver and Patience was batised in 1815, which is in between the baptisms of the two children of Oliver and Peternell. Interesting!!




sylvia

Hi Sylvia
Yes I found a marriage record for Peternel King and Oliver Symons - I wasn't looking looking outside the box - on 1841 census Jane was 20 so I was looking for a marriage around 1818 ish not 1813, the sons Oliver and Thomas probably wouldn't have still been living at home at the time of the 1841 census as they would have been in their 20s - I think it possible that Peternel and Patience might be the same person - Peternal is a very unusual name - what do you think?

Elaine

I aalso think that looking at the names of Janes's children when she got mattied to Frederick Nicholas, they have children named August, Oliver Thomas - possibly Oliver and Peternel and also Oliver and Patience
Elaine

well, there are 24 Peternell xxxxxx on the 1841 census, from all over England!


BUT no Peternell Symons



sylvia

The more I look at all this the more I am becomeing convinced that Peternell and Patience are the same may be a particular minister made the entries in the original registers whose handwriting wasn't very plain, I have never heard the name Peternell, guess I am going to have to go down and look at the original records.
but thanks again for everything
Elaine