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Janice
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6 Oct 2008 17:02 |
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Can anyone help please. I have been going round in circles trying to establish how many children my gt grandmother had to her second husband Jarvis Hemstock.Adding to the confusion his first wife was also called Sarah. I know she had 4 children to my gt grandfather Samuel Green but until I can establish when Jarvis lost his first wife I do not know how many of the others were hers too.She married Jarvis in oct 1890 and am informed she died in childbirth in 1896. She had a daughter Ethel shortly after marrying Jarvis and also a son James. I have the 1881 census when the name is spelt Henstock and the 1891 census but though I can presume the older children are the first Sarahs the ones under 10 in 1891 I can not be sure of Really would appreciate some help Regards Jan
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6 Oct 2008 17:09 |
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First I would establish if the death date is correct just to make sure.
John
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Janice
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6 Oct 2008 17:11 |
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Just realised that I omitted to mention that Jarvis was a coal miner living in Allerton Bywater in 1881 and Nottinghamshire in 1891. Regards Jan
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:05 |
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Jan,
For reference, here is the marriage record for Sarah Ann Green and Jarvis(Jervis Hemstock) in 1890:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about Jarvis Hemstock Name: Jarvis Hemstock Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Basford County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 409
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:06 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 about Jarvis Hemstock Name: Jarvis Hemstock Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Year of Registration: 1908 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 77 District: Basford County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 100
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:08 |
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Here's Jarvis in 1901 with his son James and Sarah Green's children from previous marriage?
1901 England Census about Jarvis Hemstock Name: Jarvis Hemstock Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Kimberley Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberley Holy Trinity County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Basford Sub registration district: Greasley ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 187 Household Members: Name Age James Hemstock 9 Jarvis Hemstock 70 Hannah Hemstock Green 12 Maria Hemstock Green 14 Mary Hemstock Green 17 Thomas H Hemstock Green 16
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:10 |
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First wife Sarah's death record?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 about Sarah Hemstock Name: Sarah Hemstock Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Year of Registration: 1884 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 63 District: Basford County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 62
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:17 |
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1871 England Census about Jarvis Henstock Name: Jarvis Henstock Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Ander Hill, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: West Bromwich Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: West Bromwich Sub registration district: West Bromwich South West ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 88 Household Members: Name Age Emily Henstock 10 Jane Henstock 19 Jarvis Henstock 40 Jarvis Henstock 8 Richard Henstock 5 Robert Henstock 1 Samuel Henstock 15 Sarah Henstock 41 Thomas Henstock 14 Elizabeth Mills 21
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Janice
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6 Oct 2008 18:18 |
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Hi Joan ,Thank you so much ,it explains why some of the children are Hemstock Greens as my gt gt grandmother must have had some of the children to Jarvis before she married him.Will have to look at it again Really appreciate your help Jan
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:24 |
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1881 census for reference:
1881 England Census about Sarah Henstock Name: Sarah Henstock Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Jarvis Gender: Female Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Allerton Bywater County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 46 Victoria St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Tadcaster Sub registration district: Aberford ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George Bryan 22 Elizabeth Henstock 5 Jarvis Henstock 52 Jarvis Henstock 19 Richard Henstock 15 Robert Henstock 12 Samuel Henstock 26 Sarah Henstock 53
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:27 |
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1891 census for reference and comparison:
1891 England Census about Sarah Hemstock Name: Sarah Hemstock Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Jarvis Gender: Female Where born: Kimberley, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Greasley Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberley Town: Kimberley County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Basford Sub registration district: Greasley ED, institution, or vessel: 10b Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Flint Green 15 Samuel Green 14 William Green 10 Elizabeth Hemstock 16 Ethel Hemstock 9/12 Hannah Hemstock 2 Jarvis Hemstock 60 Maria Hemstock 4 Mary A Hemstock 7 Sarah Hemstock 35 Thomas Hemstock 6
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:30 |
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1881 England Census about Flint Green Name: Flint Green Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Son Father's Name: Samuel Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Gender: Male Where born: Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Ilkeston County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: 4 Truemans Court Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Basford Sub registration district: Ilkeston (Derby) ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Flint Green 5 John Robert Green 2 Samuel Green 34 Samuel Green 4 Sarah Ann Green 25 William Green What happened to John Robert, he would have been around 12 in 1891?
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:35 |
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Okay, now you should be confused...is this your Sarah Ann's marriage record to Samuel Green? Notice her maiden name?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about Samuel Green Name: Samuel Green Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Basford County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 196 Samuel Green 1875 Jan-Feb-Mar Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire View Record Sarah Ann Hemstock 1875 Jan-Feb-Mar Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
It appears that perhaps an older cousin married her when her first husband Samuel died.
Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:38 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 about John Green Name: John Green Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 2 District: Basford County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 85
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:42 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about Sarah Ann Hemstock Name: Sarah Ann Hemstock Year of Registration: 1855 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Basford County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 80
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Janice
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6 Oct 2008 18:42 |
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Hi Joan, I think John Robert may have died thoiugh I do not know for sure I have been so involved with trying to sort the Greens from the Hemstocks and Hemstock Greens. To further complicate things my gt grandmother s mother was a Hemstock so it is not easy to untangle.I presume Sarah married back into her mothers family after she lost my gt grandfather. Jarvis was much older than her. Your help in finding out when the first Sarah died is the first breakthroughI have had. Regards Jan
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SylviaInCanada
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6 Oct 2008 18:43 |
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Of course, the only way to be absolutely sure of the parentage of the children is to obtain the birth certificates for all of them!
At £7 per certificate, that might become a little expensive, but it honestly is the only way.
sylvia
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Joan
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6 Oct 2008 18:48 |
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Jan,
Let me know if I can look up anything else for you. PM if you would like actual copies of records.
Joan
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Samspade
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6 Oct 2008 18:51 |
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Samuel Green married Sarah Ann Hemstock 28/3/1875 Greasley Notts
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Janice
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6 Oct 2008 18:52 |
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WOW is all I can say to all that. Have already got some of it but vital bits were missing.
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