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Hi Julie

I agree with you that your find is definitely the family and it would be lovely to see if there are any of the family still around somewhere but as you say I am now going to see where the Brady and Hartley come from and try and trace William's wife.

Thanks for your help and if you dig up anything to help I would love to hear it

Regards and thanks Pat.

I could not find an obvious marriage for William, so you might have to get birth certificates to find out his wife's name.

I would say that this is your Isabella...

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about Isabella Todd
Name: Isabella Todd
Year of Registration: 1837
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Easington
County: Durham
Volume: 24
Page: 72

BUT... there are 2 possabilities for William..? ?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about William Todd
Name: William Todd
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Easington
County: Durham
Volume: 24
Page: 133

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about William Todd
Name: William Todd
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Easington
County: Durham
Volume: 24
Page: 120

It is probably the 1st but... ? ?

On the death registration of Isabella (b. 1838) in 1912, it stated that her parents were William Todd & Isabella BRADY.

I know that this info in not always 100% correct but...
as there is a surname for her mother, it is worth considering, even if the first name is wrong.

This family seem to have a habit of giving their children a family surname..
Elizabeth 'Todd'
Mary 'Brady'
Margaret 'Hartley'

From your info.,
I gather that you now know that the Australia family are connected to you though your gr grandfather.
His sister is the mother of the Elizabeth Todd (Aisbeth) Barrett you were originally looking for .

There is alot more electoral roll info. if you want it.
I realise that this family is only a side branch and you may not want to expand it that far.

I assume that your next step is to find the surname of Isabella & William's mother.

Hi
As far as I can find out here Isabella's parents were William and Elizabeth Todd (no maiden name for Elizabeth) - earliest date at moment is 1841 census so I suppose if Isabella was born 1838 William could have been married before. Census details show they were born Washington County Durham and Isabella was born Easington South Hetton County Durham. The family seems to have lived all their lives around the Durham coalfield and were miners or linked to the railways.
My grandmother was Margaret Ann Todd and was the daughter of Isabella's brother William Todd and Margaret Watson. My grandmother was born 1884 at Easington Lane County Durham and married in 1905 Frank Tindle in 1886. They had three children My mother Doris 1921 and two older children John 1907 and Margaret Alice 1912.
Hope this is helpful

Pat

Hi Julie
I agree you have the right family. Rang mum last night and she says she can remember something about a sister of her grandfather going to Australia and she thinks she went on her own and would be in her 20's so it all adds up and I am really grateful for your help. I have found Isabella Todd on our census for 1841, and 1851 but nothing for 1861 as yet. She was born in 1838 in Easington, South Hetton County Durham England so seems likely she emigrated sometime between 1851 and 61. I might try and find some passenger lists for Australia. Your latest info shows Ruby Ross as niece to Elizabeth Barrett and daughter of Isabella Aisbett and must have had maiden name of Wright - looks like she married twice.
Thanks again
Pat

Can you give me some more info about Margaret Tindle nee Todd, please.

When did she marry ?
When was she born ?
Who were her parents ?

I have added a few extra dates and names to my earlier postings.

The Ruby ROSS that you refered to was actually Elizabeth's niece, her sister Isobella Wright's daughter.

The son in Portland was possible Ernest as he died there in 1960. However i have not found deaths for Elizabeths 2 youngest sons, Norman b. 1910 & Stanley b.1913, so there is a possability it could be one of them.

I found the death of Isabella Aisbett (nee TODD).
She died at Merino, Vic; in 1912, aged 74yrs.
This puts her birth around 1838.
Her parents are listed as William TODD and Isabella BRADY.

This was the only census That I could find with all 3 names...but as I do not know what area your family came from I do not know if this could be correct...

1851 England Census about Isabella Todd
Name: Isabella Todd
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Where born: Northd, Warkworth

Civil Parish: Warkworth
Town: Warkworth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:
Occupation:

Registration district: Alnwick
Sub registration district: Warkworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Crawford 60 lodger
William Crawford 64 lodger, Half Pay Officer
Elizabeth Todd 20
Isabella Todd 45
Isabella Todd 10
John Todd 13
Thomas Todd 8
William Todd 58 .......Inn Keeper

Julie
Thanks for all your work. I always suspected when reference was made to Elizabeth as Todd that it was her father who was Todd but of course if she was referring to links with home then maybe she did refer to Todd as linked to her mother. I will work on census and bmd here and see what I can come up with and will look at possible ships records if they go back far enough. I am really grateful at least its something to work on even if it leads to a dead end.
I am still hoping a family member may pick up the posting but at least there seems a glimmer of hope. Will have to quiz mum on an Isabella.
Thanks Pat.

Still could not find any Barrett's in Portland on Palmer street.
They could have moved there between the electoral roll of 1936 and the letter of 1937.
There was a Michael Barret in Portland but at a different address.

It is after 1am here so I will continue with more info in the morning.

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Name: Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1909 <<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Kooyong
Subdistrict: Canterbury
OCCOPATION .. h/d
ADDRESS .. Chatham Rd., Canterbury
also Albert Bethnell, boxmaker
& Mary h/d

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Name: Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1919 <<<<<<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Kooyong
Subdistrict: Canterbury
OCCOPATION .. h/d
ADDRESS .. Chatham Rd., Canterbury
also Albert Bethnell, boxmaker
& Edith May, 27 Chatham Rd., Machinist.

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Name: Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1931 <<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Balaclava
Subdistrict: Caulfield West
OCCOPATION .. h/d
ADDRESS .. 13 Mc Whae Ave. ************************
also Albert Bethuel, boxmaker
and Isabella Lucy, machinist
& Norman Harold, cutter

I think that this one proves that I was on the right track with the Aisbett's ! !

The 1924 roll, I posted earlier

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Name: Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1936 <<<<<<<<
State: Victoria
District: Balaclava
Subdistrict: Caulfield West
OCCOPATION .. h/d
ADDRESS .. 13 Mc Whae Ave. ************************
& Albert Bethuel, boxmaker
and Isabella Lucy, machinist

Also Norman Harold, Engineer
@ 160 Glen Eira Rd., with Jean Olwen BARRETT h/d

So Norman Harold married between 1931 & 1936.

Mary Brady AISBETT b. 1877; d. 1960, 83yrs, Geelong
m. 1901, John Henry DUNSTAN
children....
Matthew b. 1903 Ballarat, d. 1979 76yrs Geelong
Mavis Lillian b. 1905 Sebastopol



Matthew Henry b~1881, d. 1946, 65yrs, Broardford
m. 1905 Eliza Harrie RICKARD d. 1951 83yrs (f) Wm (m) harriet WITHERIDGE
Children....
Arthur Matthew b. 1907 Rushworth d. 1977 70yrs Rose.
Edgar William b. 1908 Rush.
Lucy Isobel b. 1912 Rush.?? d.as WALLER 1980 68yrs Rose.

Jane Ann AISBETT b. 1874; d. as GREED 1961,87yrs Ballarat
m. 1900 William Henry James WALPOLE b~1876, d. 1931 55yrs Pland (f) Wm (m) Vera Jane COCHRANE
children...
William Matthew George b. 1902 Pitfield Plains; d. 1951, 49yrs Melb.
Edna Jane b. 1903 Castn (?Castlemain)
Thelma Maud b. 1907 Merino, died as "McCombe" 1980, 73yrs, Park.
Linda May b. 1909 Merino

Isabella AISBETT b. 1871, d. 1945, 74yrs Bgurra.
m. 1893, Ernest Isaac WRIGHT
Children...
Grace Isabella b. 1897
Ruby Olive b. 1898 Died as "ROSS" 1984 86yrs Murr.
? m. 1916 Alfred Bruce COLLINGS d. 1958 68yrs; b~1890
Ernest Arthur b. 1902 d. 1907
Alfred Percy b. 1904 d. 1956, 52yrs, Cast.
Esther Pearl b. 1904
Clarice Lily b. 1906 d. 1906
Walter Aisbett b. 1907 d. 1976, 68yrs Cola.
Horace Alan b~1919 d. 1977 58yrs

Elizabeth Todd AISBETT b. 1869; d. 1959 89yrs Murr. (?)
m. 1892, Ballarat; Albert Bethune BARRETT (Reg transcript says Elbth)??
children...
Albert Edward b. 1893 Ballarat; d. 1966, 73yrs Heid. (Heidleberg)
Edith May b. 1894 d. 1923, 28yrs St Kilda
m.(1) 1916 Albert John PHILPOT
m.(2) 1920 Harold George ROBB
Myrtle Alma b. 1900, d. as FRANKLIN,1939, 38yrs, Rlea.
Ernest Arthur b~1902 Brswk (Brunswick) d. 1960, 58yrs Port. (?Portland)
Isabella Lucy b. 1903, Brswk (Brunswick) d. 1976, 72yrs Sand.
Norman harold b. 1910 Baldwyn
Stanley Horace b. 1913 Baldwyn.

Edward AISBETT b. 1867 d. 1923, 57yrs
m. 1896 Carol SPILLMAN d. 1938, 68yrs Hamilton b~1870 (f) Samuel Wm (m) Eliza Louisa BOWLER
children...
Harold Edward b. 1896 Ballarat d. 1961, 64yrs Geelong
Matthew Norman b. 1898 Ballarat; d. 1973, 75yrs Bendigo
Leila May b. 1899 Ballarat; d. as VONARX, 1969, 69yrs Melbourne
William Samuel b. 1901 Ballarat d. 1972, 71yrs, Hawk.
Albert Arthur b. 1902 Sebastopol, d. 1973, 70yrs Melb.
Myrtle Carol b. 1904 Hamilton; d. 1973, 68yrs Bendigo
m. ... William Cecil HINCHLIFFE --> Jean Isabella d. 1930 H'ton (no age)
Isobella harriet b. 1906 Hamilton
Lorna Amelia b. 1909 Hamilton d. as FRANCIS, 1981, 72yrs Hamilton
Cyril Claude b. 1917 Hamilton

You said about Elizabeth Barrett...." I believe she may have had a sister Mary (Brady) and there was mention of a Jane Ann and an Isabella."

Well I have either thrown a spanner in the works or solved the mystery.

I have found a family with
Elizabeth Todd b. 1869
Mary Brady b. 1877
Jane Ann b. 1874
& Isabella b. 1871
there was also an Edward b. 1867
& a Margaret Hartley b. 1879 d. 1880
& ?? Matthew Henry b~1881

BUT.... their surname was AISBETT...
father was Matthew & mother was Isabella TODD ! !

This one looks very promising ! !
Will investigate further ....

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 about Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Name: Elizabeth Todd Barrett
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1924
State: Victoria
District: Balaclava
Subdistrict: St Kilda Central
OCCUPATION .. Home Duties
ADDRESS .. 4 Rainsford Gr/St.
also at this address...
....Albert Bettruel; Box maker
....Ernest Arthur ; Casket maker
....Myrtle Alma ; Dressmaker

pm from Patricia....

Mum referred to Elizabeth as Bennett but I've hunted out a letter from Elsa Rooke and she refers to them as Barrett so might we worth checking that surname and sorry if you've been sent on a wild goose chase.
The address could be St Kilda and the avenue looks like it could be McWhae definitely Mc something similar.

Ruby's married name was Ross that is all I know and I don't know the son's name except his surname will now be Barrett if letter is correct.

Thanks for all your trouble

Pat

Incorrect Elizabeth Bennett info.deleted

The address is probably in St Kilda, a suburb of Melbourne, but I can not see a "Whae" Ave.

Electoral rolls were for 1930 & 1936.
Could not find an entry for "Elizabeth" at St Kilda, do you know if she had a middle name ?
Found a Mary Ann Rooke at 86 Palmer St. Portland in 1936 but could not find any Bennett's next door.
Do you have any idea of the sons name ?
Do you know who Ruby married ?