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Can anyone please help me to find a birth ref so i can order a birth cert on a Charles Ellis b1880 who married my Ada Greenfield b1885 Pancras.

I know the married in July 1907 Pancras, Charles was age 26 a general labourer living at 6 Chark Farm Road Camden Town as 1907, father is down as William Samuel Ellis a Carpenter.
I know Charles died July 1959 age 80 but he is down as Charles Henry Ellis i think he was born in Camden Town Pancras N.W.1.

I am told that two of his brother were called William born around 1885 and a James born around 1889 and died in Bouldogne in 1915.

Can any one please help with any info so i can order his birth cert.
Thanks for any help with so little info.
STAN GREENFIELD..

Found this

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Charles Henry Ellis
Name: Charles Henry Ellis
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 251 (click to see others on page)

Hi Wendy,
thanks a lot for a quick reply, i will check and see if his father is a William Samuel Ellis.
STAN.

Hello Wendy,

I dont think he is the right one, his father is a George H Ellis, my Charles Henry father is on Charles marriage cert as William Samuel Ellis.

I did find a Charles Ellis b1881 Pancras on his own as a visitor in 1901, i think that is him by his address my father told me about, but can not find a Charles with a father called William Samuel.

Thanks again for your help.
will keep trying.
STAN GREENFIELD.

??? Do you think this could be them?

1881 England Census
Name: William Elliot
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Phoebe
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: Dartmouth Pk Hill 17 Brookfield Ter
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Joiner

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Elliot 53
Phoebe Elliot 36
William Elliot 13
Catharine Elliot 12
Edward Elliot 10
Samuel Elliot 7
Charles J. Elliot 2

1891 England Census
Name: Charles Ellix
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Phoebe
Gender: Male
Where born: Highgate, London, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Annes
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 28 Lulot St

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Ellix 63 - carpenter
Phoebe Ellix 46
Edward Ellix 20 - fish dealer
Samuel Ellix 17 - fish dealer
Charles Ellix 12
Ellen Ellix 9
Rose Ellix 7
Harry Ellix 5

Hello,

Thanks for trying, i dont think its the family as i have two of his brothers names,
William Ellis born around 1885 and Walter James Ellis born around 1889, William and Charles H Ellis i know were living in the Camden Town area as 1918.
Thanks
STAN.

Births Mar 1890
Ellis Walter James Pancras 1b 41

Hello,

Thats great getting Walter James birth info in Pancras, thats one out the way.

Did you come across Charles Henry or William.

Thanks alot for your help.
STAN..

OK, bear with me. Here's a family that fits; brothers with the right ages, father with the right occupation, right place. Only trouble is father is not a William. I wonder if he used the name Henry?

1891 England Census
Name: William Ellis
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 25 Howland St

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ellis 45 - carpenter; Broughton, London [though looking at image very carefully again, I think it's Brompton]
Eliza Ellis 35
Hurriet Ellis 14
Charles Ellis 13
Fredrick Ellis 12
Beatrice Ellis 9
Vale Ellis 7 [Kate]
William Ellis 6
George Ellis 5
Lillian Ellis 3
Walter Ellis 1


All others born St Pancras

??? Perhaps
Births Dec 1884
Ellis William Samuel Pancras 1b 38

Hello,

This looks to me as if this could be the right family but as you say no William Samuel.

I now have a problem as Charls marriage cert says William Samuel Ellis and the census saying Henry, how do i prove which name is right.

Thanks again
STAN..

I'm looking for the family in 1881. It might clear things up.

1881 England Census
Name: Henery Ellis
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: St Panc, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 13 Howland St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Packer

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henery Ellis 31
Eliza Ellis 25
Charles Ellis 2
Fred. H. Ellis 1


All born St Pancras



Well it doesn't help at all as now Harriet's missing.

I can only think that Charles's brother William Samuel may have been a witness & got muddled when writing out the formalities. Or then there's the case where Henry is actually William Samuel but never called himself that.

1901 England Census
Name: Henry Ellis
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, London, England


Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pancras and St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 74 Judd Street

Occupation: Fine Art Packer

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub registration district: Gray's Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 465
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ellis 55
Eliza Ellis 46
William Ellis 16
Lilian Ellis 13
Ernest Ellis 7
Matilda Ellis 5


Henry's occupation fits in with 1881 in the sense that he probably makes crates for transportation which would also fit in with carpenter. But where was he born? Every time it's different.

Hello again,

I think you are right in what you are saying i will put all this to my cousin and see what he has to say about it.

Thanks for William 1884 birth details, but nothink seen to be coming up on Charles Henry birth details to order a birth cert on him, if anythink comes up please let me know so i can order one.

Thanks alot for all your time and info you have given me.

Bye
STAN GREENFIELD.
born in London.

Births Sep 1877
Ellis Harriet Eliza Pancras 1b 39


Marriages Dec 1898
Ellis Harriet Eliza Pancras 1b 261
Lawton Charles Frederick Pancras 1b 261
Lukehurst Ruth Pancras 1b 261
Wilson William Henry Pancras 1b 261

1901 England Census
Name: Harriet Wilson
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 9 Malden Rd

Occupation:

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 215
Household Members: Name Age
William Wilson 29 - Fine Arts Carter
Harriet Wilson 23
Ada Boult 8 - niece

1881 England Census
Name: Harriet Eliza Ellis
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Harmmersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 9 Swakeley Ter

Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Cribb 69 - Land Agent; Poole, Dorset
Eliza Cribb 51 - Kensington
Mary T.L. Cribb 21 - Brixton, Surrey
Herbert W. Cribb 17 - son; articled to Artist; Hackney
Oliver C. Cribb 16 - son; pupil teacher; Hackney
Frances M. Curry 11 - grandaughter; Canada, NA
Harriet Eliza Ellis 3



1871 England Census
Name: Eliza Cribb
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington
Civil Parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott
Ecclesiastical parish: West Brompton St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household Members: Name Age
William Cribb 59
Eliza Cribb 41
Elizabeth K Cribb 13
Mary F L Cribb 11
Herbert W Cribb 7
Oliver C Cribb 6




Marriages Mar 1866
>>>>Cribb William Hackney 1b 500
GREVILLE Honor S Hackney 1b 500
>>>>Joy Eliza Hackney 1b 500
MOORE Alfred J Hackney 1b 500


1861 England Census
Name: William Cribb
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Pooley, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: South Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: South Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 11 Tower Street

Occupation: General Merchant

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
William Cribb 49
Mary A Cribb 43 - wife
Willm D Cribb 19
Frances Cribb 11
Edwin Cribb 9
Meriam Cribb 7
Robt Cribb 6
Elizabeth Cribb 3
Mary Cribb 1
Emma Joy 20 - sister-in-law, Handley Dorset

Waddya reckon?

Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
>>>Ellis Henry Samuel St Giles 1b 904
>>>JOY Eliza St Giles 1b 904
RAM William St Giles 1b 904
TOUSSAINT Harriet St Giles 1b 904