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Hi Joan

Thanks for info Daniel & David Ramsay were twins, Hellen was born in 1892 and is a first cousin of Daniel Ramsay, i think it is as lisa has said its someone different as it looks like she comes from England and didnt arrive in USA till 1911 Hardie family went out in 1910 first time

Regards
Karen

Here's the website

http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eohhs2terminal&L=4&L0=Home&L1=Consumer&L2=Basic+Needs&L3=Vital+Records&sid=Eeohhs2&b=terminalcontent&f=dph_vital_records_c_obtaining_copies&csid=Eeohhs2#byinternet

Here's the address to write to for copies of vital records after 1910

Registry of Vital Records & Statistics
Massachusetts Department of Public Health (DPH)
150 Mt. Vernon Street
1st Floor
Dorchester, MA 02125-3105

That should have read Hellen/Ellen Hardie

Karen,

Is it possible that Daniel/David Ramsey married Hellen/Ellen Ramsey and not Etta?

Joan

Karen,

In order to obtain marriage records here in the States, you need to know where the marriage took place--I'll go back and look over the census records to narrow it down for you.

Joan

Hi Karen:

I will look around tonight, providing I can access GR again. (Hoping my internet problems are over!!)

I did receive the pm and will respond to that as well. :)

On my way home now....

Hi Lisa

Thanks for all your help, i dont think Etter and Ellen/Nellie/Helen are the same person As Etter says she was born in Scotland and others say born England, would you know how i would go about checking Daniels Marriage see i i can ascertain wifes full name

Regards
Karen

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Daniel Paul Ramsay
Birth Date: 7 Feb 1887
RESIDENCE: Norfolk, Massachusetts
Birth: Glascow, Scotland
Race: White
Roll: MIUSA1939B_082579
107 Piermont Street, Wollaston, Norfolk, Mass
Telephone: GPA 7267W
Name and Address of Person Who Will Always Know Your Address: David Brown, 94 Oakdale Ave, Wollaston, Mass
Employer's Name and Address: Charlestown Navy Yard, Charlestown, Mass

Certainly liked to travel:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Daniel Ramsay
Arrival Date: 18 Oct 1915
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Ship Name: Philadelphia
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Scotland
Line: 22
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2436
Birth Location: Scotland
Birth Location Other: Glasgow, Scotland
Page Number: 18
Ever in U.S.: 1910/1913
Joining relative or friend: Friend: Mrs. Blair?, Jamaica Plain?, Boston

I believe Daniel was on his own in 1910. I found this when I went back to check:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Daniel Ramsay
Arrival Date: 25 Sep 1911
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Ship Name: California
Search Ship Database: Search the California in the
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Scotland
Line: 25
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1745
Birth Location: Scotland
Birth Location Other: Glasgow, Scotland
Page Number: 107

Image difficult to read; looks like he was a pattern maker.
Last Permanent Residence: USA, Lynn?
Name and Address Whence Alien Came: 38 Whitevale
Final Destination: Mass?, Lynn?
Born Glasgow
5'8"; Dark Eyes, Reddish? Hair, cannot read the rest
Whether everin U.S.? 1910/1911 Mass? a year

Hi Karen:

I'm back home for a few minutes...here's what I have now:

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Etter Cameron
[Etta Cameron]
Age in 1910: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Scotland
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Home in 1910: Pawtucket Ward 5, Providence, Rhode Island
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hardie 54
Alice Hardie 49
Hellen Hardie 18
Alice Hardie 12
Agnes Hardie 9
Etter Cameron 21, no immigration date, Inspector, Thread Mill
Daviel Ramsey 24

It looks like Ett??. It really looks like the t's are crossed.

1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Ellen T Ramsay
Home in 1920: Boston Ward 20, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Age: 32 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: David P
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of Immigration: 1911
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 839
Household Members:
Name Age
David P Ramsay 33
Ellen T Ramsay 32
Daniel P Ramsay 10/12

"Etter" was born in Scotland and was on the 1910 census.
Ellen/Nellie was born in England and stated that she arrived in 1911.

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Nellie J Ramsay
Home in 1930: Quincy, Norfolk, Massachusetts
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Daniel P
Occupation: None
Age at first marriage: 30 (c1917)
Parents' birthplace: England
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel P Ramsay 44
Nellie J Ramsay 43
Daniel P Ramsay 11
David T Ramsay 9
Immigrated: 1913

Looks like Etter and Nellie/Ellen are the same people.

Hi Lisa

This is fantastic, thanks so much for your help, did Daniel marry more than once or are Ellen T , Nellie J and Helen T the same person ? i have a few Ellens and they are known as Nellie do you think this could be Etter Cameron, does it say whether wife Scottish Or English? did Daniel travel with anyone when he came over in 1910 ?
You solve one thing then get 10 more
Again thanks for your help

Karen

I wonder if this could be "your" Daniel's son:

Social Security Death Index
Name: Daniel P. Ramsey
SSN: 032-03-6046
Last Residence: 02061 Norwell, Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States of America
Born: 20 Feb 1919
Died: 21 Oct 1999
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (Before 1951 )

Don't know if these are your fellows:
Mannings Quincy Directory - 1951
Ramsay, Daniel P (Helen T) emp B h107 Piedmont
... (5 other Ramsay's listed)
David T acct B r43 Quincy av

Have to leave now. Will continue later tonight. (If others find information, that's ok, too.) :)

I've had fun looking. :)

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Daniel P Ramsay
Home in 1930: Quincy, Norfolk, Massachusetts
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Nellie J
Race: White
Occupation: Wood Pattern Maker; cannot read the rest
Rent/home value: Rent
Age at first marriage: 31 ; Wife: 30
Parents' birthplace: Scotland, Wife's Parents: England
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel P Ramsay 44
Nellie J Ramsay 43
Daniel P Ramsay 11, born Massachusetts
David T Ramsay 9, born Massachusetts
Cannot read address

(I added additional info to his WWI Reg Card, above)

Hi Lisa

Any info on Daniel Ramsey or Hardies would be appreciated

Regards
Karen

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Daniel Paul Ramsey
Name: Daniel Paul Ramsey
City: Dorchester
County: Suffolk
State: Massachusetts
Birth Date: 7 Feb 1886
Race: White
Roll: 1685013
DraftBoard: 20
19 North Monroe Terrace, Dorch, Suffolk, Mass
If not a citizen of U.S., of what ? are you a citizen or subject? Great Britain (Canada)
Wood Pattern Maker, George Lawley? & Sons Co., ???, Dorchester,? Suffolk, Mass
Nearest Relative: Ellen Ramsey
Medium Height, Medium Build, Dark Brown? Eyes, Colour of Hair Brown



1920 United States Federal Census, dated 5 January, 1920
Name: David P Ramsay
[Daniel B P Ramsay]
Home in 1920: Boston Ward 20, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Age: 33 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen T
Father's Birth Place: Scotland
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1910
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 839
Household Members:
Name Age
David P Ramsay 33, Scotland, Pattern Maker, Wood Work
Ellen T Ramsay 32, immigrated 1911, England
Daniel P Ramsay 10/12, Massachusetts

Looks like Ramsay, Daniel B (B is crossed out) P
Address: 19 North Monroe Terrace (Living in a building with two other families. Possibly an apartment building?)

I don't see John on the Rhode Island Cemeteries project (perhaps the project isn't finished, though):
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rigenweb/cemetery/cemetery163.html

If you are interested in Daniel Ramsey, I may have found his WWI Registration Card.

Karen:

It looks like Daniel Ramsey is not John Hardie's son. He is listed as Boarder, as is "Etter".

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Daviel Ramsey
[Daniel Ramsey]
Age in 1910: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Scotland
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Home in 1910: Pawtucket Ward 5, Providence, Rhode Island
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1910
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hardie 54, immigrated 1892
Alice Hardie 49
Hellen Hardie 18
Alice Hardie 12
Agnes Hardie 9
Etter Cameron 21, Boarder, Scotland, no immi date, Inspector, Thread Mill
Daviel Ramsey 24, Boarder, Scotland, immigrated 1910, Pattern Maker, Machine Shop

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
about Daniel Ramsay
Name: Daniel Ramsay
Arrival Date: 5 Mar 1910
Age: 24 years
Age Months: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Scotch (Scotish)
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Pretorian
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: John
Last Residence: Nova Scotia (looks like Glasgow to me)
Birthplace: Glasgow, Scotland
Microfilm Roll Number: 144

Occupation: Patternmaker?
Father: Paul? Ramsey, cannot read address, possibly 38 Whitevale Street
Destination: RI, Pawtucket?
Joining relative or friend: Uncle? Mr. John Hardie, 51? Baldwin St, Pawtucket, RI
5' 7-1/2" Complexion Fair, Hair Fair, Eyes Bro
Place of Birth: Glasglow