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Hi Kay

Thanks for that - I think I must be going round somewhere with my eyes shut! Although even after being given the information on here I have rechecked the search facilities I have access to and still not found the details.
I too know most of these areas quite well so its really easy to imagine where my ancestors were living!
Thanks again
Ness

I am overwhelmed by all of your generosity!
Thanks to you all for your efforts.

At present I dont know the parents of Rose, Albert & Kezia. I only found Rose today!

But between you all I have alot to be looking at - how/why did the children end up at this address without their parents? Was it the equivalent of our foster/care homes or where the older members of the house related to the children. Ultimately I need to identify the parents - which may mean ordering a birth cert - probably Kezias to identify gender as well!

I cant believe how the time flies while doing this!

1871 England Census about William Kempter
Name: William Kempter
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Duddeston Cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 197
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Dangerfield 19
Benjamin Kempter 18
Margaret Kempter 49
Margaret Kempter 15
William Kempter 62
William Kempter 7
Mary Ann Shrop 15

I dont know what I keep doing but I keep losing my replies before posting!

Tracey I came to same conclusion re the relationships shown on the 1891 census - all over the place! I havent managed to explore any chance of the children being related to the house members.

Well somebody got something wrong somewhere didnt they!! LOL I have just had a look at my g-mothers birth cert and that identifies the sex of the child so that would be the only sure way to find out.

I am inclined to think the death registered is the one - despite the spelling difference as there appears to be no other trace. Just got to find Albert now!

Thanks girls!
Ness

PS Im posting this before I lose it again!!!!

I think you might have to bite the bullet and order Kezia's birth cert and see whom the parents were...

Tracey

I have added an ammendment for Ada, so someone looking for her may be able to actually find her !!

Tracey

Do you know the names of Rose Thorne's parents?

No help at all but Ada Goodman married Joseph Bullock in 1890

Births Jun 1887
Thorne Kezia Aston 6d 309

Possibly William and Margaret in 1881, but it doesn't solve the problem

Margrett KEMPSTER Head W Female 60 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William KEMPSTER Son U Male 17 Birmingham, Warwick, England Railway Porter
Ada GODWIN Neice Female 8 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Arthur CLARKE Boarder Male 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Railway Labourer
Harry IRELAND Boarder Male 18 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England Coal Carter
Joseph CLARKE Boarder W Male 64 Bham, Warwick, England Carter
Thomas TURKLEY Lodger U Male 30 Bham, Warwick, England Railway Labourer
Isaac PACEY Lodger U Male 20 Bham, Warwick, England Coal Carter
George WELCH Lodger U Male 24 Bham, Warwick, England Coal Carter

Dwelling 200 Gt Francis St
Census Place Aston, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341724
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3032 / 35
Page Number 63

Possibly William's birth

Births Jun 1864
KEMPSTER William Birmingham 6d 156

Kezia is a female name. This is from googling

The girl's name Kezia \k(e)-zia\ is pronounced ke-ZYE-ah. It is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "cassia tree". Cassia is the generic name for a variety of trees and shrubs, one of which produces cinnamon. Biblical: one of the three fair daughters of Job. The name was adpoted by the Puritans and introduced to the US in the 18th century.

Kezia has 10 variant forms: Kazia, Kessie, Kessy, Ketzia, Ketziah, Keziah, Kezzie, Kissie, Kizzie

The transcriber has his knickers in a twist....

Ada is NOT William's wife.... she is the lodgers wife! So Ada is a Bullock.

Benjamin is not the son of William, but most probably his brother......

Margaret is def the mother!!!!

Soooooo....it's most likely the children are related!

Tracey

Denise I think our posts crossed - my understanding from the 1891 census is that Kezia is a male.

Wayne/Tracey - My interpretation from the census was Kempster too so think you are right. I havent yet tried to see if they are related in any way.

Thanks for all your help - I am a bit of a novice at the mo so still lots to learn in finding the best ways to get information

HI Denise & Selena

Thank you for your help - the 1891 census record is definitely them.
I believe that one of the Alberts above is going to be the other brother. I am veering more towards the Aston one as that is where the others seem to be registered.

I have found Rose married to Charles Wood in 1901 census but cant find any trace of Albert or Kezia - any ideas where I go from here to try and locate them?

Thanks again for taking the time to assist me.
Vanessa

Unfortunately there is this as well but may not be your Kezia

Deaths Mar 1892
Thorn Kezia 4 Birmingham 6d 4

I think the surname is Kempster....?

Tracey

I came across this,

Marriages Sep 1916 (>99%)

Bolton Josep Thorne Foleshill 6d 1191
Thorne Keziah Bolton Foleshill 6d 1191

On the census I thought it was a boy, so am I wrong??

Dee x

Kempoter has to be a mistranscription...there are no BMD's for that name...

...Could they be a relative and the children misdiscribed on the census?

Tracey

Hi Vanessa,

What (if any) relationship are the families to the Thorne children on the 1891 census??

Is Kezia a male or female?

Dee xx