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Hi Justin

This seems to be the most likely marriage for Peter and Catherine.......certainly ties in with the 9 + 1/2 years married on the 1911 census as well:

Name: Peter McLoughlin + Catherine Smith
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chester Le Street
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 616

Mary


Edit: There is no image available for the Peter McLoughlin side of the above marriage, so if you were to order it you would need to order for Catherine Smith. Checked on FMP and his entry is not on there either so looks as though his entry has been omitted, or misspelt!

Hi Justin

1911 Census info......the image shows occ as Bricklayers labourer and married for 9 + 1/2 years.


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image
MCLAUGHLAIN, Peter Head Married M 38 1873 Labourer St Peters Byker Newcastle on Tyne VIEW
MCLAUGHLAIN, Catherine Wife Married F 30 1881 Newcastle on TY VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30653 Reference:
RG14PN30653 RG78PN1755 RD558 SD5 ED14 SN174

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
All Saints Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
All Saints

Address:
24 Quality Row N/c County:
Northumberland

Mary

The closest I can find for Mary Ellen Moutter in the 1911 census living in Northumberland is this one

Muter Mary Ellen F Single 1893 School teacher Northumberland Sleekburn

She was living with her family at 22 Shop Row Bedlington Colliery Bedlington

Peter and Catherine were living at 24 Quality Row in the parish of All Saints in 1911. When I did an address search there are four families listed for number 24.

I have tried to see if I can find a connection with Peter and Catherine and the Muter family but unfortunately can't find Peter and Catherine's marriage to see if Catherines's maiden name may help.

Chris

Hi Mary

thank you for your reply, the Peter Mclaughlin that i am thinking to be my great grandad was born in 1873, and even more interesting is that my auntie (my grandads first daughter) was named Lavinia Catherine Ann, and she appears to have been born 4 years after my grandads adopted mother died, would you happen to know where Peter and Catherine were living in 1911 would you??
i have also found that Frederick Moutters mothers name was Mary Ellen moutter but again there is no record of her after Fredericks birth could anyone help in tracing Mary after on the 1911 census or after??

thank you

Justin

Hi Michael

Unfortunately adoption wasn't formalised until 1927 (or thereabouts).

If I have the correct Peter McLaughlin born 1873, occ bricklayers labourer, on the 1911 census. He had been married for 9 and a half years to Catherine and they had no children.......so the *adoption* of Peter Frederick is looking more probable??

Mary

Not sure (someone hopefully knows) if you can get a copy of the adoption certificate. That would clinch it one way or another.

thank you for your replys, i am so daft, i should of remembered i sent off for the actual copy of Frederick Moutter over a year ago, i am really sorry, what my question should of been (if my head was screwed on) is would there be anyway to find out if Frederick Moutter and Peter Frederick Mclaughlin (my grandad) is/was the same person, i dont like to work on guess work after all i only have a piece of paper for Frederick Moutters birth this on its own does not seem proof that they were the same person and i dont even know who ordered the birth certificate, why they ordered it, i dont even know wether or not it was found in my grandad possession after he had died

regards

Justin Mc

Mothers maiden name for that birth is also Moutter.

Chris

Hi Michael,

thanks for you quick replay, the certificate of birth that i have received is only a copy stating "the above particulars have been compiled from an entry in a register in my custody"and not the full certificate so the only information i have is what i entered above
again thank you for your reply

Justin Mc

The adoption theory sounds very likely, especially given the exact same birthday.
What a breakthrough !

If he was born in a workhouse, it will say so on the birth cert.
My grandfather was and it did.

Hi all, i have been busy over the last couple of years gathering information on my grandad to try and find answers on who he was and who his family was i am hoping you will be able to help me once again with finding his birth certificate as i am still unable to find this, the details i know are as follow:
full name Peter Frederick Mclaughlin birth 3rd Sept 1912 newcastle upon tyne, death 28th Nov 1983 (these details from death Cert)
marriage 21st Aug 1943 to Phyllis St.John in Croydon he was aged 28 fathers name Peter Mclaughlin (was deceased) according to marriage certificate

I also have all of his army records that state that he was born 2nd Sept 1912 in Byker Newcastle upon type his next of kin is down as Father Peter Mclaughlin living at 174 commercial road Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne (dated 1st Oct 1932) there is no name for his mother however it does state that she was living in the area of patterill bank, harraby, Carlisle, these details where entered before his marriage in 1943 as the details of mother and father have been crossed out and wife entered.

i only have one more clue and that is on his wedding Cert (1943) it states father Peter Mclaughlin deceased, and on his army records (1932) it has his fathers name and the address, i have done a search and found that a peter mclaughlin died age 69 in Newcastle upon tyne in 1942

so this is basically all the info i have on my grandad i am not able to trace any other details

if anyone can help me trace his birth certificate i would be very greatful

best regards

Justin Mc

just one more thing that is a little confusing, my family have passed me a copy of a birth certificate that was obtained 30 may 1974 with the name of Frederick Moutter born 2nd Sept 1912 in elswick Newcastle upon Tyne, is it possible that we was adopted by the mclaughlin's at some stage and he was trying to trace his mother in 1974???????? or is that all a little to far fetched

again thank you for reading my essay on my secretive grandad and thank you for any help you can give

Justin Mc

His fathers name will be on the marriage certificate, that may be another way to find him.

Teresa

What about this birth?

Peter McLoughlin 1913 Jul-Aug-Sep Joyce South Shields Durham, Tyne and Wear

Teresa

Hi

I have just found out that he told someone in the family many years again he was born in newcastle upon tyne, been told they believe he was from a workhouse (told the one in catherine cooksons books) would anyone know if it is possible to trace people who are born in or have been in a workhouse?
thank you, i am very greatful for any help you can give

Justin

Hi,

If you get the death certificate it will state where he was born. It will also give the person who registered the death - this may give further leads.

THANK YOU all, i will look into the lead in birkenhead, i don't know how i miss that one thanks you Sarah, sadly we don't know if he had any brothers or sisters, and i don't have the death certificate, only found the registration log which states DOB and where he died, i will try the Scotlanspeople website and see if i can get any more results.

once again thank you for all the help

Justin

Does he have any brother or sisters we could look for?
That may help

I found one in Jan/feb/March 1912 Peter Mclaughlin with mothers maiden name Killip, Birkenhead Cheshire?

Sarah

Hi,

Does it not say on the death certificate where he was born?

Teresa