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.,...and my other post on the same family...

T xx

Yeah Kay

Rosetta/Henrietta had a child illegitimately before marrying William, they lived in the poorest of area's and i'm not sure as to the circumstances on how his first wife died.... It may have been in childbirth?

We now know Rosetta/Henrietta died of liver chirrosis (alcohol related), and there maybe other children born/died before the first surviving child is registered on the census. Bearing in mind she already had her own child.

This whole family is giving me the worst headache ever!

Tracey

Yeah this is all linked to my own personal hell !!!

Sorry been away on hols, and just getting back into the saddle.


Tracey :(

Is it not strange that Rosetta&William didnt have child till 11 years after marriage for the time ?if they married in 1859?
just a bit of lateral thinking>>>>:}

Right peeps, i have to go to work....

Can i thank you all for your input.

If anyone has any other thougths, idea or theories can you please post them....

...i'm not discounting anything currently.

Tracey xx

Hey Kay

That William belongs to another family....

I have just spoken to the local history office in Staffordshire, they tell me it's quite plausable they called their children by another name other than the one baptised/registered as. So therefore they may have forgotten they registered their first child as Maria!

Plot gets thicker!!

Tracey

Could he have remarried?

1878


William Liggins,,
Hannah Harris,(Ann)?

Foleshill--Warwickshire..--6d---573 A/J.

Hey Margaret,

Yeah i have that, and i don't think William is Mary A's father. Mary A was born a Ward. Illegitimate child of Rosetta.

I am now tempted to order all the other children's certs inc Mary's and see what they throw up...lol

Tracey

William Liggins married Rosetta Ward 1859 mar qt West Bromwich gro ref 6b 740

1861 census.
William Liggins 1830 Burbidge Warwickshire.
Rosetta wife 1837 Nottingham.
Mary A Liggins dau 1857 Wolverhampton

I've had someone have a pop at me because my Mary Thomas has a POB of Wales. She's a marriage, my Mum remembers her, I'm not spending a forture trying to find where she was born so she's shelved pending the 1911

I have a family on the other side also Staffordshire, the dad was called Thomas Thomas....and i just knew as soon as the census page opened where i was going to...and sure enough born Wales.... I thought great that reduces the options down to the last 500,000 names!

T xx :)

It could be worse, they could have been Smith's or some of our Welsh Jones'!

Thanks for that Claire, i'm not discounting anything.... however...I need to add...our William was from Warwickshire somewhere!!

The census have him from Burbage or Bedworth !!

His marriage cert has no middle name (altho that doesn't mean one doesn't exist)

...can you see why i want to cry?

T xx

There were 2 William's born in the same year, your's must be William Thomas but I wonder what William Henry would reveal

William Henry Liggins 1873 Jul-Aug-Sep West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire


William Thomas Liggins 1873 Jan-Feb-Mar West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire


He died but the same woman can't have given birth to both or could she?

William Henry Liggins abt 1873 1873 Jul-Aug-Sep West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

I went on a little trek yesterday to Darlaston, and all the properties Maria lived in have been pulled down and something else is there....

...i'm convinced she's deliberatley taking the micky outta me....

T xx

Maria in 1891
Name: Maria Liggins
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Darlaston
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Darlaston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:1-5 Court Bell street

Occupation:Bolt Screwer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Walsall
Sub registration district: Darlaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Maria Liggins 22
Emily Marlow 23
John Marlow 7
Joseph Marlow 13
William H Marlow 32 occ Nut and bolt Forger



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2246; Folio 82; Page 28; GSU roll: 6097356.

I need to try and find Rosetta if he has shacked up with the sister?

And i need to find Both Maria's on the same census in the same area.

They were born about 100 yards apart almost 5 years apart to the day.

Families eh?

T xx

Thanks for your effort guys...xx

Jeanette

Rosetta chanfged her name on all the census's....from Rosetta, to Ann and then Henrietta and died under tha name Henrietta!!

All the census's have the same Year of Birth and same place, just her name changes slightly.

The problem i have is that i have 2 Maria's and no death, the first is ok til you add the second, then when you add on the sister it gets confusing....!!

Now if you wanted to read my other thread on Maria titled Maria Liggins, Kings Hill....you'll see why i have issues.

Maria continuously lied about her gae and her birth, then married the first guy she met, shacked up with the second (and had my partners GGrandfather) and then bigamously married her last hubby..... ironically her first hubby outlived the lot!

So now i order her birth cert and another can of wriggly things has opened....Grrr

T xx:)

On the 1871 she's Ann again

1871 England Census
about Maria Liggins
Name: Maria Liggins
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Darlaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Darlaston
Town: Darlaston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:
Registration district: Walsall
Sub registration district: Darlaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Liggins 39
John Liggins 7
Joseph Liggins 3
Maria Liggins 1
William Liggins 41
Elizabeth Nanh 16
Mary Ward 14

they are on the 1881 with just one Maria aged 10

Name: Maria Liggins
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston

Civil Parish: Wednesbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: 38 Wood St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub registration district: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Liggins 45
Harriet Liggins 4
John Liggins 16
Joseph Liggins 14
Maria Liggins 10
William Liggins 50 occ Screw maker
William Liggins 8


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2857; Folio: 73; Page: 14; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341685.

looks like William called Rosetta- Ann