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Looking for info on James Read born Hoxton 1857, would like to find out who his mother was, Thanks Shirley Hayes

1861 poss

Name: James Read
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: East Woodhay
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Kingsclere
Sub registration district: Highclere
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Thos W Pithouse 57
Elizabeth Read 34 niece, Gt Yarmouth
James Read 4
William Weede 52



Why Hoxton?

1891 is this the one you mean ??

Name: James W Read
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susanah M
Gender: Male
Where born: Hoxton, London, England

Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Great Yarmouth
Town: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address: wheelwright

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub registration district: Yarmouth Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward H Read 5
James C S Read 7
James W Read 34
Lucy E Read 18 Gt Yarmouth
Susanah M Read 30 GT Yarmouth
William V Read 3


Strange that Lucy age 18 is listed last on the image when usually the children are listed in age order - unless she is 18months ?

Although the image could be Head or even Beach or anything else



This marriage might match

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
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BRINDED Louisa Elizabeth Yarmouth 4b 61
Read James William Yarmouth 4b 61
Robinson Susannah Martha Yarmouth 4b 61
Smith Samuel Thurlow Yarmouth 4b 61




1901 same family
Name: James W Read
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susannah M
Gender: Male
Where born: Hoxton, London, England

Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub registration district: Yarmouth Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 156
Household Members: Name Age
Edward H Read 15
James C S Read 17
James W Read 44
Lucy E Read 11
Susannah M Read 40
William Read 13

1861 no idea if right one !!!!!

Name: James W Read
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Angelina
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Gn, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
Angelina Read 35
Edith E Read 2
James W Read 5
John Saboe 75



Births Mar 1856 (>99%)
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READ James William Shaboe Bethnal G 1c 272




Could do with some feedback from Shirley

Thanks every one, James W Read married to Susannah Robinson is the right person, It was on his marriage cert. that gave the place born as Hoxton London, and that is all we have ever been able to find out about him, fathers name on it was a blank line, I would like to know more about the one born in the workhouse by Elouise,
James and Susannahs, children were James, Edward, William and Lucy
Shirley

Thanks every one again, I,m in the U.S and cant get to the files you are getting into, My gt. grandfather was always known as James, my grandfather his youngest son was William, His oldest son was always known as Jimmy, it seems he never did tell anyone his back ground, that is why nobody knows anything, It seems the info on Hampshire maybe right, but after that, nothing, no info at all on his mother or him untill getting married in Yarmouth, and it seems Elouise is the closest, and I think maybe Pithouse is the father, but everything from Hampshire on, and his birth are shrouded in mystery
Shirley

A bit surprised that no one has found him in 1881.

1891 and 1901 both give the same occupation

It's possible that if his parents died while he was very young he may not have known their names - that may explain the absence of a father's name on the marriage cert ...

Hi every one, thanks all again, I did find out on one census that Thomas Pithouse, lived in London, and on that census an Elizabeth Read shows up as maid in his household, but I forgot which census, and it does show her as coming from Yarmouth, I,ve often wondered how a young girl got from Yarmouth to be a serving maid in London, and on that census nothing is said as she being Thomas,s niece, I have tried to find a Elizabeth Read born 1827 in Yarmouth, but every lead I have had is always the wrong Elizabeth, or the wrong family, she is a mystery, as is where they disapeared to after Hampshire
Shirley

A Elizabeth Read(Reed) turns up on the 1851 census for a Thomas Pithouse, in London, she is listed as a maid, at that time S. Pithouse is listed as his wife, but Thomas and Elizabeth turn up on the 1861 census for Hampshire, he as the inn keeper, and she as his housekeeper, and also listed as his niece, James is listed too, as his nephew, aged 4, dont have copies of the census forms though, but this time no wife is listed
S.H

Hi Elouise, seems like we are crossing over somehow, but that Elizabeth could be the right one, my grandfather did have a brother Edward, which James could have named after a uncle, seems funny if it was the right Elizabeth , since James married a Susannah, and had a sister Susannah too, wonder if Robert was the father or the grandfather, I know this Elizabeth doesnt show up on Genes, does it give a house address.
S.H

That is the one, she was 24 and it seems her name was spelt wrong, I think the one with Thomas Pitthouse is the same Elizabeth and James is the same James, my gt, grandfather, I would like to track his family, I know all about the Robinsons going way back, but stuck on the Reads
S.H

1861 census...........The Star Inn.
I think he was a beer house keeper
There should be something about him in the trade directory.



BREAKTHROUGH.
1881 census.
Susan Read widow 1803 Bungay Suffolk occ laundress
J Wm Read grandson 1857 Hoxton Middlesex occ coach wheeler (Mk)

address 1 Bullens buildings Great Yarmouth.
Im wondering if Susan Read never married Thomas Pithouse

1881 census
Thomas Pithouse inmate widower 1806 Middlesex occ ag lab.
address "Union house"Kingsclere Hampshire.

Wonder why he finished up there?. I guess it could have been the hospital part

Susannah Read born c1803 died 1886 june qt Yarmouth gro ref vol 4b page 8

Thomas Pithouse born c1803 died 1883 June qt Kingsclere Hampshire gro ref 2c 151

Hoxton is Shoreditch/Hackney area.
There is a
William James John Read 1857 sept qt Shoreditch gro ref 1c 201

Elizabeth Read born 1828 died 1875 dec qt Yarmouth gro ref 4b 16

Cant find him in 1871

1871 poss

Name: James Redd
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
Town: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub registration district: Yarmouth Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 170
Household Members: Name Age
James Redd 14
Susan Redd 68 Bungay
Susan Redd 38 Gt Yarmouth, daughter

The Ancestry transcription
Susan Redd 1803 Bungay occ laundress
Susan 1834 as daughter
James as grandson

Im wondering if Susan could be James mother since on the 1851 census when Elizabeth is living with Thomas Pithouse James is nephew. I know its usually in relationship to the head but perhaps in this case it was Elizabeths nephew

Perhaps not.
1851 census.
Susan Read 1803 Bungay Suffolk.occ washerwoman
Susanna dau 1832 Yarmouth occ dressmaker
Mary Wells married sister 1811 Yarmouth occ silk weaver