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Hello My Name is Carol Smallman, I have 2 ancestors with the surname of LEE, no relation, but on my father's side was William Lee, he left Stockport and came to Australia.

The other one was Thomas Lee, who was a convict and transported to Australia.
His trial was at the Hertford Assizes.

Does anyone know how I can find the parents of these 2 ancestors.

Thanks, Carol
Port Macquarie
New South Wales
Australia
28.6.2008
11.01pm Aust. time

sorry margaret, i think my last message was misleading, i dont think that he died in world war one, but was gassed, so the story goes! i cannot even find out if he was rertired early because of it..
now i am really confused.

regards

yvonne

There's this one who died in WW1 but his age is wrong. My calculations say that he was born 1888. Possibly a relative though?

Name: LEE, SAM
Initials: S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Border Regiment
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Age: 29
Date of Death: 10/07/1917
Service No: 26997
Additional information: Son of Samuel Lee, of 50, Rochdale Rd. East, Heywood, Lancs.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: NIEUPORT MEMORIAL

thank you margaret,
will spend tomorrow looking up new info, how do you find out dates of death, is there an easy way?

the samuel lee (1882) we believe was gassed in the first world war but cannot find any information on him regarding his war days.

i really appreciate your help

kind regards
yvonne

Sounds good, Yvonne, that he named a son Nathan after his father.
Gotta leave for a while now. I'm in Canada, suppertime!

Samuel in 1891:
8 Birch Brow, Heywood, Lancshire
Robert Lee, head, 34, moulders labourer, born Manchester
Mary Eliz'th, wife, 32, cotton weaver
Samuel, son, 9
Clara, dau, 7
Nathan, son, 4
Wife & children born Heywood.

hello margaret

thanks for that,
it sounds right,
i think i may have gone back a bit further, although i am not 100% sure
robert lee's farther nathan lee (1816) mother nancy(1817) with lots of children
alice, ann, mary, richard,hannah, robert,??????????????
this is really commplex.
just so many brick walls to hit.

regards

yvonne

Jane's father Sam is a moulder here:
1891 census
2 Osborne St., Heap, Heywood, Lancashire
Sam Tolley, head, 54, iron moulder, born Worcester, Ribbenhall
Martha, wife, 57
*Jane, dau, 16, cotton weaver
Annie M., dau, 13, cotton weaver
Ernest, son, 10, roller lifter (half time)
Wife & children born Heywood.

Yvonne, I wonder if perhaps you mixed up the occupations of the fathers? It seems that Samuel's father Robert Lee was the moulder and it looks like Jane's stepfather was a grocer.
1901 census
36 High St., Heywood, Lancashire
John E. Ashworth, head, widower, 54, assistant grocer
Walter, son, 24, cotton (something?) packer
Sarah A., dau, 22, dressmaker
Leonard C., son, 18, apprentice joiner
Annie L., dau, 17, dressmaker
Ernest Tolley, son, 20, dress improver?
*Jane Tolley, 26, cotton twister
All born Heywood.

I'm not sure if the Tolleys belong with this family, there's a double // between them and the Ashworths but they are listed as son and daughter.
I'm going back to 1891 to check.

Possibly this one in 1901, although father isn't a grocer.
152 Heap Ferry/Terry? (Top of Heap), Heywood, Lancashire
Robert Lee, head, 44, moulders labourer, born Bury
Mary Eliz., wife, 43, cotton waever, born Manchester
*Samuel, son, 19, civil service temporary postman, born Heywood
Clara, dau, 17, cotton weaver, born Heywood
Nathan, son, 14, civil service telegraph messenger, born Heywood

marriage certificate recieved today:
date 22/07/1908 married congregational church, york street, heywood.
samuel lee 26 years old bachelor, post office clerk, 59 wilmott street hulme, manchester. fathers name robert lee(grocer)
jane tolley 32years old spinster, 38 high street, heywood, lancs father samuel tolley(deceased) moulder
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Good, let us know when you get the father's name and we can probaby find him on the 1901 census. Can't do it now because there are just too many to choose from.

certificate ordered
many thanks
yvonne

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN GOING TO HAVE A LOOK THERE NOW.

REGARDS

YVONNE

General Register Office here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

SORRY I HAVE ONLY JUST STARTED OUT ON THE FAMILY TREE IN THE LAST MONTH AND AM LEARNING ALL THE TIME, BUT WHAT OR WHO IS GRO PLEASE.
THANKS MARGARET YES I DID MEAN SAMUEL LEE, THE ONE MARRIED TO JANE TOLLEY, I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND ANYTHING ON HIM?

REGARDS

YVONNE

You don't need the exact date, Yvonne, just the volume and page numbers. (Hope you're using GRO and not paying more than 7 pounds.)
p.s. You meant Samuel Lee, didn't you? Not Samuel Thompson.

MANY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP, IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED, I HAVE JUST TRIED TO PURCHASE THE MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE ON LINE BUT AM UNABLE TO, DUE TO THE FACT I DO NOT HAVE AN EXACT DATE OF MARRIAGE, FOR JANE TOLLEY AND SAMUEL THOMPSON. SO I SEEM TO HAVE DRAWN A BLANK THERE.

That looks the right record Margaret.

It was Samuel Tudor who died in 1944 - son of Samuel Lee and Jane Tolley.

This is from CWGC:

Name: LEE, SAMUEL TUDOR
Initials: S T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flying Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 15 Sqdn.
Age: 32
Date of Death: 12/12/1944
Service No: 154088
Additional information: Son of Samuel and Jane Lee; husband of Nora Clara Lee, of Manchester.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 207.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL