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10 Apr 2008 11:22 |
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Did Sinclair Higgins marry Eliza and have a son?
SINCLAIR HIGGINS Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 10 SEP 1833 Christening: 06 OCT 1833 Saint Andrew, Holborn, London, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: SINCLAIR HIGGINS Family Mother: ELIZA
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10 Apr 2008 11:19 |
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Charles Thomas Teideman and Sarah (Unknown) had another son called Charles Thomas Teideman who married twice. Here is all his info
Charles Thomas Teideman Compact Disc #115 Pin #733576 Pedigree Sex: M
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s) Birth: 26 May 1827 Hart Street, Covent Garden, Westminster, Middlesex, England Christening: 3 Apr 1831 Saint Paul Church, Covent Garden, Westminister, Middlesex, England Death: 20 Apr 1898
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents Father: Charles Thomas Teideman Disc #115 Pin #739282 Mother: Sarah Disc #115 Pin #739283
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage(s) Spouse: Louisa Christy Disc #115 Pin #733577 Marriage: 11 Jun 1848 St Andrews Church, Holborn. London, Middlesex, England Spouse: Amelia Horn Disc #115 Pin #739816 Marriage: 30 Jul 1866 England
Personal Information Occupation: Market Porter
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10 Apr 2008 11:17 |
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And Sarah (Unknown last name)
Sarah Compact Disc #115 Pin #739283 Pedigree Sex: F
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s) Birth: abt 1798 Radnorshire, South Wales. Death: 12 Oct 1851 34 Hart Street, Covent Garden, Westminster, London, England Burial: St Paul Church, Covent Garden, Westminster, London, England
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage(s) Spouse: Charles Thomas Teideman Disc #115 Pin #739282 Marriage:
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10 Apr 2008 11:16 |
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Charles Teideman's info
Charles Thomas Teideman Compact Disc #115 Pin #739282 Pedigree Sex: M
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s) Birth: 1796 Portsea, Hampshire, England Death: 30 Sep 1852 Kings College Hospital, St Clement Danes, Middlesex, England Burial: St Paul Church, Covent Garden, Westminster, Middlesex, England
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage(s) Spouse: Sarah Disc #115 Pin #739283 Marriage:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Information Occupation: Copper Plate Printer
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10 Apr 2008 11:15 |
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Here is George Teideman's birth info and marriage
George Teideman Compact Disc #115 Pin #739597 Pedigree Sex: M
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s) Birth: 3 May 1829 Covent Garden, Westminster, Middlesex, England Christening: 4 Jun 1830 Saint Paul Church, Covent Garden, Westminster, Middlesex, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents Father: Charles Thomas Teideman Disc #115 Pin #739282 Mother: Sarah Disc #115 Pin #739283
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage(s) Spouse: Eliza Higgins Disc #115 Pin #740521 Marriage: 20 Jan 1856 St Annes Church, Soho, Westminster, Middlesex, England
And Eliza's
Eliza Higgins Compact Disc #115 Pin #740521 Pedigree Sex: F
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s) Birth: abt 1833 St Pauls, Middlesex, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents Father: Sinclair Higgins Disc #115 Pin #741076
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage(s) Spouse: George Teideman Disc #115 Pin #739597 Marriage: 20 Jan 1856 St Annes Church, Soho, Westminster, Middlesex, England
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10 Apr 2008 11:01 |
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Did Martha remarry before 1901 then?
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10 Apr 2008 06:45 |
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??? George and Eliza in 1901???
1901 Census
Name: Eliza Tiedeman Age: 68 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where born: St Ann'S Holborn Civil Parish: Bloomsbury and St Giles Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles in the Fields County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Giles Sub-registration district: Bloomsbury and St Giles, South ED, institution, or vessel: St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury Workhouse Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Household Members: Name Age . . Martha Tapp 41 Eliza Tiedeman 68 Married, Charwoman Elizabeth Timmins 76 Sarah Tinsley 68 . .
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Name: George Tiedeman Age: 74 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Inmate Gender: Male Where born: Wc, St Paul'S Covent Garden Civil Parish: Bloomsbury and St Giles Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles in the Fields County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Giles Sub-registration district: Bloomsbury and St Giles, South ED, institution, or vessel: St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury Workhouse Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 . . Annie Stockford 43 George Tiedeman 74 Married, General Porter Henry Willm Tinsley 69 . .
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10 Apr 2008 01:08 |
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Really need some more info from Sheila so will leave for now.
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JenW
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10 Apr 2008 01:01 |
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This one's baffling me!
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GlitterBaby
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10 Apr 2008 01:00 |
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Would love to know the occupation for George on the birth cert
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JenW
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10 Apr 2008 00:57 |
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definitely married by this point
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George TEIDMAN Head M Male 52 St Pauls, Middlesex, England Salesman Eliza TEIDMAN Wife M Female 48 St Pauls, Middlesex, England Jane TEIDMAN Daur U Female 24 St Pauls, Middlesex, England George TEIDMAN Son U Male 22 St Pauls, Middlesex, England Salesman Martha MEDIN Daur M Female 19 St Pauls, Middlesex, England Mary TEIDMAN Daur U Female 16 St Pauls, Middlesex, England Domestic Servant Sinclair TEIDMAN Son Male 13 St Pauls, Middlesex, England Porter
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 13 Mercer St Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341071 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0329 / 10 Page Number 16
but where is George Madden?
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GlitterBaby
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10 Apr 2008 00:56 |
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1881 name correction has already been made to Martha to show surname as Teidman.
So where is George born 1880 and his father?
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Oh bother the name correction on Ancestry is one of those you can not see why the alteration has been made !!!
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10 Apr 2008 00:51 |
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Looks likely. So she was married but living with her parents?
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10 Apr 2008 00:49 |
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1881 poss
Name: Sinclair Teidman Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: St Pauls, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Martin in The Fields County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 13 Mercer St Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Porter Registration district: Strand Sub-registration district: St Martin In The Fields ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age *****Martha Medin 19 Eliza Teidman 48 George Teidman 52 George Teidman 22 Jane Teidman 24 Mary Teidman 16 Sinclair Teidman 13
Looks like married on image
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10 Apr 2008 00:49 |
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I can't find her at all on the 1881 census sorry
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10 Apr 2008 00:46 |
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And on the 1891 census with 2 girls. unsure of where this is though
1891 England Census about Martha Madden Name: Martha Madden Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Gender: Female Where born: St Giles, London, England Civil Parish: St Clement Danes Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Danes Town: Westminster County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Strand Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Letitia Andrews 54 Minera S Angles 50 Mary Armstrong 42 Louisa Arrandale 68 Louise Berrington 43 Mary Bird 57 Fanny Bogg 49 Sarah Boyce 54 Bridget Brown 62 Elizabeth Brown 33 Bridget Bryan 48 Ada Carnell 19 Mary Christian 29 Jane Clancy 50 Annie Clements 38 Isabella Clifford 63 Ellen Davis 45 Susan Dowley 55 Mary Dunn 40 Johanna Dwyer 58 Mary A Edwards 37 Janet Ellems 38 Julia Evans 27 Julia Fair 52 Madge Gilbert 27 Mary Greenfield 68 Minnie Hamilton 23 Eleanor Hanson 40 Alice Harris 37 Catherine Harris 60 Mary Herbert 30 Florrie Hessen 33 Matilda Howard 67 Jane Ingham 47 Louisa Ingham 18 Martha Ingham 13 Mary Johnson 64 Carlotta Johnza 21 Mary Jones 32 Mary A Jones 41 Lilian Keen 23 Mary Keen 56 Sarah Keen 50 Mary Kelly 70 Laura Kennedy 26 Annie Lane 19 Anne Lewis 32 Mary A Lynes 60 Margaret Mack 38 Elizabeth Madden 2 Lottie Madden 8/12 Martha Madden 28 Louisa Martin 33 Jane McCarthy 53 Kate McCarthy 46 Mary McCarthy 37 Eliza McCormick 39 Mary McKenzie 47 Ann Mills 64 Anne Monetta 48 Kent More 34 Catherine Noe 57 Maria Nolan 39 Ann Norrie 30 William Norrie 32 Mary A Page 39 Jane Phillips 45 Catherine Rennie 40 Catherine Reynolds 56 Alice Sacre 20 Betsy Semard 59 Catherine Sheens 33 Mary Shinn 51 Catherine Sinnot 60 Alicia Sparrow 62 Mary Sullivan 58 Sarah Sumbler 25 Sarah Surrey 56 Annie Thompson 37 Maria Trubee 53 Elizabeth Welsh 47 Lilian Whitehead 40 Hannah Wood 58
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10 Apr 2008 00:43 |
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Here's Martha on the 1871 census
1871 England Census about Martha Teideman Name: Martha Teideman Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Eliza Gender: Female Where born: St Giles Civil Parish: St Mary Le Strand Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Le Strand Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: Strand Sub-registration district: St Mary le Strand ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 238 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Teideman 40 George Teideman 42 George Teideman 12 Martha Teideman 9 Mary Ann Teideman 6 Sarah Jane Teideman 14 Sinclair Teideman 1
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10 Apr 2008 00:40 |
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Although now looking at your results I've found this
Martha Teideman Compact Disc #115 Pin #740524 Pedigree Sex: F
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s) Birth: 1862 St Paul, Covent Garden, Westminster, Middlesex, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents Father: George Teideman Disc #115 Pin #739597 Mother: Eliza Higgins Disc #115 Pin #740521
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage(s) Spouse: George Maddin Disc #115 Pin #740527 Marriage: 1879 London, Middlesex, England
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10 Apr 2008 00:38 |
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I was just about to say I couldnt find a mother called martha. I was going to suggest this was the household
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability James MADDEN Head M Male 37 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Messenger Elizabeth Emma MADDEN Wife Female 35 East Isles, Berkshire, England Messenger Wife Charles William MADDEN Son Male 5 Paddington W Messenger Son Rose MADDEN Daur Female 4 Paddington W Messenger Daughter George MADDEN Son Male 8 m Paddington W Messenger Son Ada FOSTER Serv U Female 16 Paddington W General Domestic Servant Rothwell HARRISON Lodger U Male 24 ... Pethartor, Somerset, England Merchants Sherry Ships Mary Anne CHAPMAN Lodger U Female 52 Paddington W Annuitant Albany F. WALLACE Lodger U Male 52 Paddington W Clerk Out Of Employment
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 44 Back Place Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341005 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0021 / 4 Page Number 1
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10 Apr 2008 00:35 |
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Mad guess time
Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JONES Mary Ann Strand 1b 967 JONES Samuel Strand 1b 967 MADDIN George Strand 1b 967 TEIDEMAN Martha Strand 1b 967 TRIDEMAN Martha Strand 1b 967
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