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9 Apr 2008 21:41 |
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I think I've found Martha Bishop/Anderson in 1881:
1881 England Census Name: Martha Bishop Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: St Georges, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 7 St Thomas Rd Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Machinist (Trousers) Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Hooper 55 Ann Hooper 75 William Hooper 23 Mary Hooper 21 Anne Mortlock 5 Martha Bishop 31
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9 Apr 2008 21:04 |
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1851 England Census Name: Martha Anderson Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: St George, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St George in The East Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 2 Charles St
Occupation: scholar
Registration district: St George In The East Sub-registration district: St Paul ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 232 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Anderson 40 - labourer; Bristol Mary Anderson 37 - semstress Thomas Anderson 12 Henry Anderson 10 Martha Anderson 8 Charlotte Anderson 5 Rebecca Anderson 3 All others born St George. All children are scholars.
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9 Apr 2008 20:56 |
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Only connection coming up on Freebmd:
Marriages Sep 1845 ANDERSON John Steyning 7 691 TRIBE Jane Parlotte Steyning 7 691
Boreham might be in Essex but no other census shows them born in Essex. The 1881 is very faint & badly mistranscribed.
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Dennis
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9 Apr 2008 10:33 |
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Wow, many thanks for all the work. My interest is indeed Martha Amelia (my grandmother on my mothers side) and her sister Lillian. Lillian I belive became a dresser to Marie lloyd a famous music hall singer ("My old man said follow the van ...")
You have travelled the same route as I regarding links Bishop / Frike. No success. The possibility of Tribe is really interesting so I'll be lloking at the records and following links.
Martha Amelia was daughter of William Henry Bishop, publican, as shown on marriage cert. The brith certs of Martha and Lillian both show their mother's family name as Anderson. However, on Martha's cert her mother is named as Martha Bishop formerly Anderson but the signature is "X Mary Anderson her mark". Lillians mother is named as M Bishop formerly Anderson.
BUT no Frike or Tribe!
Finally Boreham Essex does exist (Nr Chelmsford). It was clay quarrying / brick making country and many workers moved to Poplar / Limehouse to build housing in the 1850s.
I think my next step is to try to trace the Anderson line.
Once again many thanks for the tremendous effort devoted to the elusive Frike family.
dennis
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8 Apr 2008 00:20 |
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Are the Whelans any connection to Susan Wheling, niece, in 1871? I don't know if this is going anywhere & it's becoming too confusing.
I just can't find a connection between the Bishop grandchildren & the Tribes!
1861 England Census Name: Martha Arnold Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: St Georges, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Chelsea Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 6 Lincoln St Occupation: house servant
Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Chelsea North West ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 121 Household Members: Name Age George Whelan 27 - jeweller's assistant Harriet Whelan 31 - wife Frances Whelan 24 - sister Mary Whelan 52 - mother Jane George 45 - visitor Martha Arnold 17
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7 Apr 2008 23:36 |
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??? 1891 England Census Name: Lillian Bishop Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Gender: Female Where born: Limehouse, London, England Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Dunstans Church County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 128 Carr St
Occupation: Professional Singer
Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Bishop 51 - Engineer A; Poplar, London Lillian Bishop 15 Maud Bishop 14 - Limehouse Marry R Hannan 49 - housekeeper Mary Hannan 44
Births Jun 1877 Bishop Maud Stepney 1c 447
1881 England Census Name: William Bishop Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Linchouse County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 19 Manning St Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Beer House Keeper
Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Bishop 44 William Bishop 16 - general labourer George Bishop 14 - barman Maria Bishop 10 Maud Bishop 4
Births Dec 1864 Bishop William Henry Stepney 1c 460 Bishop William Henry Stepney 1c 480
Births Jun 1867 Bishop George Thomas Stepney 1c 508
Births Jun 1871 Bishop Maria Stepney 1c 437
1871 England Census Name: William Bishop Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Gender: Male Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Anne Limehouse Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England
Street address: 21 Vincent St Occupation: Engine fitter
Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age William Bishop 31 Martha Bishop 27 - St Georges George Bishop 4 - Limehouse Maria Bishop 1 month - Limehouse Susan Wheling 25 - niece; Limehouse Marriages Sep 1863 Allen Jemima St Geo East 1c 870 ...>>>Anderson Martha St.Geo.East 1c 870 ...>>>Bishop William Henry St.Geo.East 1c 870 Groom Robert John St Geo. East 1c 870
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7 Apr 2008 22:57 |
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Marriages Jun 1888 ...>>>INGLEDEW Amy Poplar 1c 955 LIVSEY Roger Poplar 1c 955 ...>>>Tribe John Arthur Poplar 1c 955 Walker Mary Matilda Poplar 1c 955
1891 England Census Name: John Tribe Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Amy Gender: Male Where born: Limehouse, London, England Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Dunstans Church County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 79 Carr St
Occupation: bricklayer
Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Tribe 25 Amy Tribe 21 Ledia Tribe 2 Ann L Tribe 1 All born Limehouse except Amy, Poplar
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7 Apr 2008 22:39 |
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I have a terrible feeling that these may be Maria's grandchildren!!! I think you'll have to get Martha Amelia's birth cert.
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7 Apr 2008 22:26 |
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Marriages Dec 1880 ...>>>Harding Thomas William Mile End 1c 1014 Poll Henry Mile End 1c 1014 Roberts Harriett Mile End 1c 1014 ...>>>Tribe Emily Elizabeth Mile End 1c 1014 Tribs Emily Elizabeth Mile End 1c 1014
1891 England Census Name: Emily Harding Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Shoreham, London, England Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Dunstans Church County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 5 Dongola St
Occupation:
Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Harding 36 - zinc worker's labourer Emily Harding 31 George Harding 9 Herbert Harding 5
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7 Apr 2008 22:10 |
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IGI Individual Record JOHN TRIBE Birth: 27 APR 1825 Christening: 29 MAY 1825 Independent Or Countess Of Huntingdons, New Shoreham, Sussex, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM TRIBE Mother: ELIZABETH Source Information: Batch No.: C076221 Dates: 1802 - 1837
Results for: British Isles Father: William Tribe, Mother: Elizabeth Batch Number: C076221 1. JANE TRIBE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 06 OCT 1822 Independent Or Countess Of Huntingdons, New Shoreham, Sussex, England 2. JOHN TRIBE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 29 MAY 1825 Independent Or Countess Of Huntingdons, New Shoreham, Sussex, England 3. MARIA TRIBE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 AUG 1828 Independent Or Countess Of Huntingdons, New Shoreham, Sussex, England
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7 Apr 2008 22:06 |
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Is she visiting the grandaparents?
1841 England Census Name: Jane Butler Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Gender: Female Where born: Sussex, England Civil Parish: New Shoreham Hundred: Fishergate County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: West Street
Occupation: Registration district: Steyning Sub-registration district: New Shoreham Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Butler 60 - Independent Charlotte Butler 50 Charlotte Butler 25 Jane Butler 10
Separate household at same address. Thomas Greenwood 55 - tailor Anne Greenwood 55 William Greenwood 20 - App[rentice] ship joiner Elizabeth Greenwood 10
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7 Apr 2008 22:04 |
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1841 England Census Name: Edward Batler Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Where born: Sussex, England Civil Parish: New Shoreham Hundred: Fishergate County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Buckingham St [2 households away from the Tribe family]
Occupation: carpenter Registration district: Steyning Sub-registration district: New Shoreham Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edward Batler 35 Jane Batler 30 John Batler 10 Henry Batler 8 Ellen Batler 5 Richard Batler 2 Where's Jane jnr?
I've just noticed that on the same page there is an Eliza Tribe, age 20, working as a servant for an elderley couple.
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7 Apr 2008 21:55 |
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Possibility: there are 2 other John Tribe/Jane marriages about that time, but only this Jane comes from Shoreham. And look at the address!
Marriages Sep 1854 ...>>>Butler Jane Brighton 2b 254 Harvey John Charles Brighton 2b 254 Mockford Eliza Brighton 2b 254 Rich George Brighton 2b 254 ...>>>Tribe John Brighton 2b 254
1851 England Census Name: Jane Butler Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Edward Mother's Name: Jane Gender: Female Where born: N Shoreham, Sussex, England Civil Parish: New Shoreham Town: Shoreham County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Buckingham St
Occupation: Registration district: Steyning Sub-registration district: Shoreham ED, institution, or vessel: 10b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 31 Household Members: Name Age Edward Butler 48 - joiner (foreman) Jane Butler 43 Jane Butler 22 John Butler 20 - shipwright's app[rentice] Henry Butler 18 - shipwright's app[rentice] Ellen Butler 15 Richd Butler 12 Edward Butler 9 Arthur Butler 3 Sabina Butler 5 Mo All born N Shoreham except Jane snr, Portslade, Sussex
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7 Apr 2008 21:32 |
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1841 England Census Name: John Tribe Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Sussex, England Civil Parish: New Shoreham Hundred: Fishergate County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Buckingham St
Occupation: bricklayer Registration district: Steyning Sub-registration district: New Shoreham Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Tribe 50 - bricklayer Elizabeth Tribe 50 William Tribe 20 - bricklayer Jane Tribe 18 John Tribe 15 1851 England Census Name: John Tribe Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: N Shoreham, Sussex, England Civil Parish: New Shoreham Town: Shoreham County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Bank Houses
Occupation: bricklayer's journeyman
Registration district: Steyning Sub-registration district: Shoreham ED, institution, or vessel: 10b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 36 Household Members: Name Age William Tribe 60 - bricklayer (master 1 hand); Washington Sussex Elizabeth Tribe 66 - Chestfield, Suffolk John Tribe 24
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7 Apr 2008 21:26 |
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Marriages Dec 1875 Edwards Joseph Stepney 1c 1085 ...>>>LAND George Stepney 1c 1085 Mathew Mary Ann Stepney 1c 1085 ...>>>Tribe Alma Helener Stepney 1c 1085
1881: Name: Alma H. Land Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Gender: Female Where born: Shoreham, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Limehouse County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 26 Turner Rd Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George Land 25 - tank rivetter Alma H. Land 25 George E. Land 4 William H. Land 1
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7 Apr 2008 20:57 |
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I think this is the family, at long last.
1871 England Census Name: John Tribe Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Shoreham, Sussex, England Civil Parish: St Anne Limehouse County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 11½ Featherstone Buildings [Possibly Copenhagen Place]
Occupation: bricklayer
Condition as to marriage: widow
Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household Members: Name Age John Tribe 46 Alma E Tribe 15 George E Tribe 13 Emily E Tribe 11 Flora A Tribe 8 John A Tribe 5 All born Shoreham except John jnr born Limehouse.
1861 England Census Name: John Tribe Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Shoreham, Sussex, England Civil Parish: New Shoreham County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Green Lane
Occupation: bricklayer Registration district: Steyning Sub-registration district: Shoreham ED, institution, or vessel: 6e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 256 Household Members: Name Age John Tribe 36 Jane Tribe 32 Alma Ellen 5 George Ed Tribe 3 Emily Elizath Tribe 1 Elizabeth Tribe 76 - mother; bricklayer's widow; Catsfield, Suffolk [There's a Cratfield in Suffolk but I must say the writing is difficult to read] Births Jun 1855 Tribe Alma Steyning 2b 219 Births Jun 1857 Tribe George Edward Steyning 2b 216 Births Dec 1859 TRIBE Emily Elizabeth Steyning 2b 231 Births Jun 1862 TRIBE Flora Agnes Steyning 2b 233
Births Sep 1865 Tribe John Arthur Stepney 1c 467
Deaths Mar 1871 TRIBE Jane 42 Stepney 1c 414
Marriages Sep 1872 ...>>>GROUT Maria Mile End 1c 1003 ISAACS Fanny Sinclair Mile End 1c 1003 Large Edmund John Mile End 1c 1003 ...>>>Tribe John Mile End 1c 1003
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7 Apr 2008 20:16 |
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1891 England Census Name: Martha Bishop Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Limehouse, London, England Civil Parish: St George in The East Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 89 Cornwall St
Occupation: domestic servant
Registration district: St George In The East Sub-registration district: St George North ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Martha Bishop 18 Caroline Commons 25 Caroline Commons 5 Harry Commons 27 - general dealer Harry Commons 3 Lena V Commons 1
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7 Apr 2008 20:13 |
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So this is who you're trying to link?
Births Dec 1872 BISHOP Martha Amelia Stepney 1c 483
Births Sep 1875 BISHOP Lillian Mile End 1c 553
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7 Apr 2008 20:09 |
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Deleted because obviously the wrong person.
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7 Apr 2008 20:02 |
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These are the only Frikes that come up for all of Freebmd which makes me think your man is a mistranscription though the image is difficult to read. Is it the grandaughters you have the info about?
Deaths Sep 1844 Frike Alice Lettitia Westminster 1 345
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1854 Frike Frederick Whitechapel 1c 738
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1899 FRIKE Thomas William Tynemouth 10b 317
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1899 Frike Mary Ann Liverpool 8b 227
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