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Seeking family of John and Maria Frike who in 1881 were resident at Old Steam Packet public house, 17 Halley St, with grandchildren Martha Amelia and Lilian Bishop

For reference:

1881 England Census
Name: John Frike
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Thoreham, Essex, England [probably Shoreham]

Civil Parish: Linchouse [Image is Limehouse]
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 17 Halley St Beer House Sign Old Steam Packet
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Bricklayer

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Frike 55
Maria Frike ? 65 - Essex (I don't know why there is a question mark after her name)
Florence Frike 18 - Essex
John Frike 14 - Limehouse
Martha Bishop 8 - Limehouse
Lillian Bishop 5 - Limehouse
Minnie Bill 16 - servant

where about was this pub?

These are the only Frikes that come up for all of Freebmd which makes me think your man is a mistranscription though the image is difficult to read. Is it the grandaughters you have the info about?

Deaths Sep 1844
Frike Alice Lettitia Westminster 1 345

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Marriages Jun 1854
Frike Frederick Whitechapel 1c 738

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Births Dec 1899
FRIKE Thomas William Tynemouth 10b 317

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Marriages Dec 1899
Frike Mary Ann Liverpool 8b 227

Deleted because obviously the wrong person.

Ozi.

So this is who you're trying to link?

Births Dec 1872
BISHOP Martha Amelia Stepney 1c 483


Births Sep 1875
BISHOP Lillian Mile End 1c 553

1891 England Census
Name: Martha Bishop
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Limehouse, London, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 89 Cornwall St

Occupation: domestic servant


Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St George North
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Martha Bishop 18
Caroline Commons 25
Caroline Commons 5
Harry Commons 27 - general dealer
Harry Commons 3
Lena V Commons 1

I think this is the family, at long last.

1871 England Census
Name: John Tribe
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreham, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: St Anne Limehouse
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 11½ Featherstone Buildings [Possibly Copenhagen Place]

Occupation: bricklayer

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household Members: Name Age
John Tribe 46
Alma E Tribe 15
George E Tribe 13
Emily E Tribe 11
Flora A Tribe 8
John A Tribe 5

All born Shoreham except John jnr born Limehouse.


1861 England Census
Name: John Tribe
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreham, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: New Shoreham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: Green Lane

Occupation: bricklayer

Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 256
Household Members: Name Age
John Tribe 36
Jane Tribe 32
Alma Ellen 5
George Ed Tribe 3
Emily Elizath Tribe 1
Elizabeth Tribe 76 - mother; bricklayer's widow; Catsfield, Suffolk [There's a Cratfield in Suffolk but I must say the writing is difficult to read]

Births Jun 1855
Tribe Alma Steyning 2b 219

Births Jun 1857
Tribe George Edward Steyning 2b 216

Births Dec 1859
TRIBE Emily Elizabeth Steyning 2b 231

Births Jun 1862
TRIBE Flora Agnes Steyning 2b 233

Births Sep 1865
Tribe John Arthur Stepney 1c 467


Deaths Mar 1871
TRIBE Jane 42 Stepney 1c 414


Marriages Sep 1872
...>>>GROUT Maria Mile End 1c 1003
ISAACS Fanny Sinclair Mile End 1c 1003
Large Edmund John Mile End 1c 1003
...>>>Tribe John Mile End 1c 1003

Marriages Dec 1875
Edwards Joseph Stepney 1c 1085
...>>>LAND George Stepney 1c 1085
Mathew Mary Ann Stepney 1c 1085
...>>>Tribe Alma Helener Stepney 1c 1085

1881:
Name: Alma H. Land
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreham, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Limehouse
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 26 Turner Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married


Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Land 25 - tank rivetter
Alma H. Land 25
George E. Land 4
William H. Land 1

1841 England Census
Name: John Tribe
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil Parish: New Shoreham
Hundred: Fishergate
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: Buckingham St

Occupation: bricklayer

Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: New Shoreham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Tribe 50 - bricklayer
Elizabeth Tribe 50
William Tribe 20 - bricklayer
Jane Tribe 18
John Tribe 15




1851 England Census
Name: John Tribe
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: N Shoreham, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: New Shoreham
Town: Shoreham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: Bank Houses

Occupation: bricklayer's journeyman

Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
William Tribe 60 - bricklayer (master 1 hand); Washington Sussex
Elizabeth Tribe 66 - Chestfield, Suffolk
John Tribe 24

Possibility: there are 2 other John Tribe/Jane marriages about that time, but only this Jane comes from Shoreham. And look at the address!

Marriages Sep 1854
...>>>Butler Jane Brighton 2b 254
Harvey John Charles Brighton 2b 254
Mockford Eliza Brighton 2b 254
Rich George Brighton 2b 254
...>>>Tribe John Brighton 2b 254


1851 England Census
Name: Jane Butler
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: N Shoreham, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: New Shoreham
Town: Shoreham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: Buckingham St

Occupation:

Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Butler 48 - joiner (foreman)
Jane Butler 43
Jane Butler 22
John Butler 20 - shipwright's app[rentice]
Henry Butler 18 - shipwright's app[rentice]
Ellen Butler 15
Richd Butler 12
Edward Butler 9
Arthur Butler 3
Sabina Butler 5 Mo

All born N Shoreham except Jane snr, Portslade, Sussex

1841 England Census
Name: Edward Batler
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil Parish: New Shoreham
Hundred: Fishergate
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: Buckingham St [2 households away from the Tribe family]

Occupation: carpenter

Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: New Shoreham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Batler 35
Jane Batler 30
John Batler 10
Henry Batler 8
Ellen Batler 5
Richard Batler 2


Where's Jane jnr?


I've just noticed that on the same page there is an Eliza Tribe, age 20, working as a servant for an elderley couple.

Is she visiting the grandaparents?

1841 England Census
Name: Jane Butler
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Female
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil Parish: New Shoreham
Hundred: Fishergate
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: West Street

Occupation:

Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: New Shoreham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Butler 60 - Independent
Charlotte Butler 50
Charlotte Butler 25
Jane Butler 10


Separate household at same address.
Thomas Greenwood 55 - tailor
Anne Greenwood 55
William Greenwood 20 - App[rentice] ship joiner
Elizabeth Greenwood 10

IGI Individual Record
JOHN TRIBE
Birth: 27 APR 1825
Christening: 29 MAY 1825 Independent Or Countess Of Huntingdons, New Shoreham, Sussex, England
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM TRIBE
Mother: ELIZABETH
Source Information:
Batch No.: C076221
Dates: 1802 - 1837


Results for: British Isles
Father: William Tribe, Mother: Elizabeth
Batch Number: C076221
1. JANE TRIBE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 OCT 1822 Independent Or Countess Of Huntingdons, New Shoreham, Sussex, England

2. JOHN TRIBE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 MAY 1825 Independent Or Countess Of Huntingdons, New Shoreham, Sussex, England

3. MARIA TRIBE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 AUG 1828 Independent Or Countess Of Huntingdons, New Shoreham, Sussex, England

Marriages Dec 1880
...>>>Harding Thomas William Mile End 1c 1014
Poll Henry Mile End 1c 1014
Roberts Harriett Mile End 1c 1014
...>>>Tribe Emily Elizabeth Mile End 1c 1014
Tribs Emily Elizabeth Mile End 1c 1014


1891 England Census
Name: Emily Harding
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreham, London, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Dunstans Church
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 5 Dongola St

Occupation:

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Harding 36 - zinc worker's labourer
Emily Harding 31
George Harding 9
Herbert Harding 5

I have a terrible feeling that these may be Maria's grandchildren!!! I think you'll have to get Martha Amelia's birth cert.

Ozi.

Marriages Jun 1888
...>>>INGLEDEW Amy Poplar 1c 955
LIVSEY Roger Poplar 1c 955
...>>>Tribe John Arthur Poplar 1c 955
Walker Mary Matilda Poplar 1c 955


1891 England Census
Name: John Tribe
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Amy
Gender: Male
Where born: Limehouse, London, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Dunstans Church
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 79 Carr St

Occupation: bricklayer

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Tribe 25
Amy Tribe 21
Ledia Tribe 2
Ann L Tribe 1

All born Limehouse except Amy, Poplar

???
1891 England Census
Name: Lillian Bishop
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Limehouse, London, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Dunstans Church
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 128 Carr St

Occupation: Professional Singer

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bishop 51 - Engineer A; Poplar, London
Lillian Bishop 15
Maud Bishop 14 - Limehouse
Marry R Hannan 49 - housekeeper
Mary Hannan 44



Births Jun 1877
Bishop Maud Stepney 1c 447



1881 England Census
Name: William Bishop
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Linchouse
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 19 Manning St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Beer House Keeper


Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bishop 44
William Bishop 16 - general labourer
George Bishop 14 - barman
Maria Bishop 10
Maud Bishop 4


Births Dec 1864
Bishop William Henry Stepney 1c 460
Bishop William Henry Stepney 1c 480

Births Jun 1867
Bishop George Thomas Stepney 1c 508


Births Jun 1871
Bishop Maria Stepney 1c 437



1871 England Census
Name: William Bishop
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Anne Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 21 Vincent St
Occupation: Engine fitter

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
William Bishop 31
Martha Bishop 27 - St Georges
George Bishop 4 - Limehouse
Maria Bishop 1 month - Limehouse
Susan Wheling 25 - niece; Limehouse


Marriages Sep 1863
Allen Jemima St Geo East 1c 870
...>>>Anderson Martha St.Geo.East 1c 870
...>>>Bishop William Henry St.Geo.East 1c 870
Groom Robert John St Geo. East 1c 870

Are the Whelans any connection to Susan Wheling, niece, in 1871? I don't know if this is going anywhere & it's becoming too confusing.

I just can't find a connection between the Bishop grandchildren & the Tribes!


1861 England Census
Name: Martha Arnold
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: St Georges, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 6 Lincoln St
Occupation: house servant

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
George Whelan 27 - jeweller's assistant
Harriet Whelan 31 - wife
Frances Whelan 24 - sister
Mary Whelan 52 - mother
Jane George 45 - visitor
Martha Arnold 17

Wow, many thanks for all the work. My interest is indeed Martha Amelia (my grandmother on my mothers side) and her sister Lillian. Lillian I belive became a dresser to Marie lloyd a famous music hall singer ("My old man said follow the van ...")

You have travelled the same route as I regarding links Bishop / Frike. No success. The possibility of Tribe is really interesting so I'll be lloking at the records and following links.

Martha Amelia was daughter of William Henry Bishop, publican, as shown on marriage cert. The brith certs of Martha and Lillian both show their mother's family name as Anderson. However, on Martha's cert her mother is named as Martha Bishop formerly Anderson but the signature is "X Mary Anderson her mark". Lillians mother is named as M Bishop formerly Anderson.

BUT no Frike or Tribe!

Finally Boreham Essex does exist (Nr Chelmsford). It was clay quarrying / brick making country and many workers moved to Poplar / Limehouse to build housing in the 1850s.

I think my next step is to try to trace the Anderson line.

Once again many thanks for the tremendous effort devoted to the elusive Frike family.

dennis