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Helen . well i married in 1957 so was from 1952 to about 1960 that I used to shop at Rose's

Helen if you order the marriage certificate you may find out what denomination she was. I ordered one from my tree and they married in the great Synagogue, Duke Street London.
Strangley, his family CARO were surgical truss and instrument manufacturers and drapers.
Good luck, interesting part to tree building !
Joan

Hi Joan,
I thought the name Goldthorp sounded Jewish too .Maybe she was but as we have no details of her and all my husbands relatives are no longer with us there is no-one to ask.
Thanks again
Helen

Hi Helen
As Reg says you can order certificates from GRO in Southport. I think short certificates only give the basic info but the ones from GRO have the info on that you will need.
I would start by ordering them
Someone posted Elizabeth Goldthorps birth registration details and so that would give her parents ( BUT I think I remember seeing mother's maiden name as Goldthorp SO maybe there wasn't a father listed on her birth cert.)
Good luck in your search and remember we are here.
As an aside are there Jewish links as both Rose and Goldthorp sound Jewish to me?
Best wishes Joan

In what years did you get your winter coats from this shop? My husbands mother died in about 1956/57 agedabout 33 .I doubt it was her shop but who knows .I wouldn't even know how to go about finding out as we know absolutely nothing about her other than dying of ?brain haemorrage.

Sorry Joan yes I had gone to bed last night.I'm pretty sure you have found the right one for me .I did find a short birth certificate for my husband but it does not have his parents names on it.Should there not be a long one with parents names occupations etc? cos we do not have one of those.
Thanks for help
Helen

This looks to be her birth:

Births Mar 1915
GOLDTHORP Elizabeth MMN Goldthorp Greenwich 1d 1912

Rose

Hi reggie
Just shows how you have to think outside the box of what you think you know!

Shirley

wonder if she was registered Lewisham which is the near to greenwich
would depend if she was in a Lewisham hospital as my nan was altho she lived with us in Charlton. she died in lewisham Hospital and her death is registered in lewisham

deaths
June qtr 1956
Elizabeth M Rose age 47 Lewisham 5d 39

My parents married 1929.........I was born 1941, and I'm an only child

gosh that's some 20 years before Christopher was born /Ive been looking at deaths but without knowing her name and age wasnt sure.

Sounds as if he was the youngest then .

Reminds me of my family married 1929 youngest child born 1949!!!

Think Helen has gone to bed ; that's where I am going now. Night all, Joan

Hi Shirley
I have found it .
Frederick C Rose married Elizabeth M Goldthorp oct-dec 1934 Greenwich.
The printing is poor I think it is 1c 1870

Hope this helps Helen
Joan

There used to be a ladies clothes shop in Greenwich on the opposite side of the road to the Greenwich Granada cinema .was called Rose's of Greenwich . were they connected to hubbys family. i used to get my winter coats from them!!

have searched from 1947-1953 for a Rose/Goldthorp/e marrage but none found

Hi Helen
There is a death reg for Frederick Charles Rose in Canterbury Kent in 1991. Would that be your father in law ? This one was born March 1909.
Joan

If you have Ancestry you could search the index's for a marriage of a Rose to a Goldthorp.
That would give your MIL first name.
Do you know approximately when they married or when your FIL was born ?
Joan

Thanks so much for this Reg my children will now know their Grandmothers name if they are interested in the future.
Helen

PM = private message, where sensitive info is sent off-board.

In this case, however, it's not necessary

ROSE Christopher F, MMN Goldthorp Greenwich 5c/542 JFM 1953

With the above info, you can order the birth cert, and find out his mother's full name(s)


Order on line from www.gro.gov.uk, making sure to 'check' the box after the question 'are GRO refs known?'....it will cost £7.00

Never order from any other online source............there are some rip-off sites out there...........
Reg

My husbands mother died 1956/57 then his father remarried some years later .His dad died in 1991.I have never seen his birth certificate in 27 years of being married.What is PM that you mentioned.I do not understand all these things.
Thanks for your help