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When she was 15 in 1881c she was a servant looking after children Islington area, are you saying that you doubt if this is the right Elizabeth in 1891c, but then it does say that she was born in Holborn not St Pancras where my one was born.
Thanks for your help but I think this is all for tonight, if you come up with anymore I'd be very gratefull [ has that got 2 ll's in?]
Night! Night!

Kathryn

Already updated with address.

Does not match the address for her in 1881

Does it by any chance give an address?

Kathryn

SORRY, stupid me has just seen it, I think I'm going to try to have an early night, these nights or I should say early mornings are starting to show!

1891
Name: Elizabeth Rainbird
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Holborn, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 Milner St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Clara Lazarus 30
Lewis Lazarus 37
Reuben Lazarus 1
Reuben Lazarus 7 days
Rosetta M Lazarus 8
Elizabeth Rainbird 25


Shown as "M" for married

Hello you two,
Are you saying that you have found an Elizabeth Rainbird born 1866 St Pancras working as a servant in 1891c Islington??
The one Reggie found was born Holborn.
If you have found her can you tell me the address and all.
I am so pleased there are people like you out there to help people in need like me.
Thanks.
Kathryn

This is the right Elizabeth as her father was Zachariah and mother Sarah, I knew she was from that area but you now have given me her birth address, thanks.
I just wish I could track this family down from when young Thomas was born 1886 [the year they married] till the time father and son turn up again together in 1901c.
I think Elizabeth left and went back to her maiden name. but then again who knows!
Thanks again.

For reference:

1881 England Census
Name: Thomas Graves
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 20 Hobbs Pl
Occupation: Brushmaker

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Balls 7
Maria Balls 32
Thomas Graves 18
Caroline Stewart 17

Cheers Ozi

Maureen

& Elizabeth confirms that when she's on her own.

1891.
Elizabeth Rainbird abt 1866 St Pancras Servant Islington, London

OK Maureen.

Ozi,

Thanks but do not check the 1891 census for lodging house keeper as it must be the wrong family.

Thanks again,

Maureen

Oh bother !!!!!!!!!!!!!


1901
Name: Thomas H Groves
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth M
Gender: Male
Where born: Kentish Town, London, England

Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: grocer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Borough Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Charles H Groves 5
Elizabeth M Groves 34 Blackfriars
Thomas H Groves 39
Thomas H Groves 14



So 1891 must be wrong family

Notice it's very specific where she was born.

1871 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Rainbird
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Zachariah
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: 23 Harrison St; St Pancras
Civil Parish: Islington St Michael
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:
Occupation:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household schedule number: 349
Household Members: Name Age
Zachariah Rainbird 27
Sarah Rainbird 28
Elizabeth Rainbird 4
Maria M Rainbird 3

Ozi,

Can you do me a favour and check the 1891 posting where Thomas is a lodging house keeper as I am not totally convinced on the surname.

Thanks,

Maureen

The lodging house has come up before and the birth places are wrong also I know for a fact that the occupation was a brushmaker/bootmaker, but I think the brush in print looked like boot.

Kathryn

Thanks Reggie,
Did it give an address? where this Elizabeth was working, where has your info gone? it was there a minute ago

Kathryn

How do you know they didn't have a lodging house? What do you know?

Ozi.

Puzzled.

Is it the right marriage in 1886?

If so I was just wondering why you asked for 1891 for Elizabeth Rainbird.

Maureen

Thanks Glitter baby, right name and his wife was Elizabeth but the area born is wrong and they didn't have a lodging house. Did any info come up on the other Thomas that came up on the 1891c? My Thomas was born in Hoxton/Shoreditch area and was a brushmaker/bootmaker

Thanks again

Your so quick, you have managed to give me more info in the time its taken me to answer your first!.
Your right about the father and son that's the ones I'm trying to find in the 1891c. The wife's maiden name was Rainbird but it looks as if she might of left them sometime after the time young Thomas was born in 1886.

Thanks again.

1891 poss??

Name: Thomas Graves
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: tailors assistant

Condition as to marriage: single

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A E Blackford 21
Rebecca Blackford 50
Robert P Blackford 63
Thomas Graves 27
Samuel Harriss 8

Marriages Jun 1886 (94%)


BARRATT Mary Shoreditch 1c 187
Graves Thomas Henry Shoreditch 1c 187
Jones William Stuart Shoreditch 1c 187
RAINBIRD Elizabeth Shoreditch 1c 187


1901 poss
Name: Thomas H Graves
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hoxton, London, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:bootmaker

Condition as to marriage: married

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas H Graves 38
Thomas H Graves 14

So not sure the 1891 is correct